13th October 2020
‘I would rather have questions that cannot be answered, than answers that cannot be questioned’ Richard Feynman.
As the impact of COVID19 rampages around the world, there is going to be a massive push to get vaccines launched, and immense pressure applied to people to be vaccinated. Therefore, this seems like a perfect time to have a conference on informed consent in Vaccination.
So, I am helping to publicise the Fifth International Public Conference on Vaccination on-line conference*. Information on this can be found here:
I am acutely aware of the fact that even the mildest caution about vaccines leads to you being instantly labelled as an anti-vaxxer, and thus dismissed as some kind of anti-science lunatic.
However, I think we have an immensely important issue rising to the surface today, with many countries lining up to make any vaccine for COVID19 as close to mandatory as can be achieved, without using force.
This is distinctly worrying. As I pointed out in a previous blog, the Phase III trials for any Sars-Cov2 are not due to report for years. Which means that vaccines are about to be rushed onto the market with very sparse data on safety and efficacy. I think that people have a right to be concerned, and a right to refuse to be vaccinated without massive pressure brought to bear.
I strongly believe that this, and other issues on informed consent, desperately need to be debated – out in the open – and the National Vaccine Information Center is trying to do this. The people involved seem to be as far from being zealots as can be imagined. They just want an open and reasoned discussion.
Here is their statement on the issues of informed consent.
Informed Consent: An Ethical Principle
The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) has not advocated for the abolishment of vaccination laws as other groups have proposed. However, we have always endorsed the right to informed consent as an overarching ethical principle in the practice of medicine for which vaccination should be no exception. We maintain this is a responsible and ethically justifiable position to take in light of the fact that vaccination is a medical intervention performed on a healthy person that has the inherent ability to result in the injury or death of that healthy person.
In consideration of:
- the fact that there can be no guarantee that the deliberate introduction of killed or live microorganisms into the body of a healthy person will not compromise the health or cause the death of that person either immediately or in the future; and
- with very few predictors having been identified by medical science to give advance warning that injury or death may occur; and
- with no guarantee that the vaccine will indeed protect the person from contracting a disease; and
- in the absence of adequate scientific knowledge of the way vaccines singly or in combination act in the human body at the cellular and molecular level
- vaccination is a medical procedure that could reasonably be termed as experimental each time it is performed on a healthy individual
Further, the FDA, CDC and vaccine makers openly state that often the number of human subjects used in pre-licensing studies are too small to detect rarer adverse events, making post-marketing surveillance of new vaccines a de facto scientific experiment. In this regard, the ethical principle of informed consent to vaccination attains even greater importance
I would urge people to have a look at this conference, sign in, and make up their own minds about what is going on.
*Disclosure of interest: I was asked to give a lecture at this conference for which I will be paid. The title of my talk is ‘Manipulating Science to Endorse Policy, and Market Products.’
Dr. Malcolm Kendrick 
Totally agree with you, Malcolm. Panic can be a very dangerous thing, or maybe a great excuse for ‘Big Brother’ to flex his political muscles…
Yes, its all a foredgone conclusion but there is hope
Doctors and Professionals Alliance Speak Out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8865039/Volunteer-AstraZenecas-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-dies-Brazil.html
Brazilian doctor, 28, who died from coronavirus after volunteering for Oxford vaccine trial was in the control group that got placebo and trial will continue
I think the ‘placebo is really a different vaccine, the
Adult participants in both the Phase II and Phase III groups will be randomised to receive one or two doses of either the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine or a licensed vaccine (MenACWY) that will be used as a ‘control’ for comparison.
Well, they *say* he was in the placebo group, but they would, wouldn’t they? How can we trust that what they say is true? And even if he was, why wasn’t he treated properly and quickly with one of the protocols that actually work? Surely they should have been prepared for some illness, or do they want people to die to make the vaccine seem more effective?
This is the thing. Placebos ain’t placebos, these days. He got a dose of a vaccine, and he died. And that should make me feel safe?
I agree. Giving another unnecessary (by any measure) vaccine is not a placebo. My daughter is participating in the Oxford Trial and I understand the “placebo” is one of the meningitis vaccines.
Oh dear. I do hope she survives unscathed.
Much as I am an avowed cynic about vaccines generally and an unapologetic alarmist about the COVID 19 vaccination scandal, I think that any conference from an organisation which states it was founded “to talk about why and how vaccines cause injury, death and chronic illness and what to do about it” needs to be treated with as much caution as anything else in the current climate.
At one time I would have agreed with you, but much evidence that need study keeps coming to the fore. Some research (who knows, I don’t) suggesting that no research has been done on the efficacy of many vaccines.
Each year we get vaccinated against flu and each year a number of those so treated die of flu. It seems that nobody has been doing much work on studying whether flu jabs a) protect you from flu at all. b) decrease your chance of getting flu or reduce its effects. c) increase the severity if you do get flu. Those are the sort of questions that are now being posed I believe – surely not before time.
Doc Kendrick is a Richard Feynman fan obviously – a pity he didn’t live to be an old man like Freeman Dyson did.
I always like a good quote – so I will leave you with another pertinent one in the age we live in.
“The Greatest Obstacle to Discovery Is Not Ignorance—It Is the Illusion of Knowledge”
Daniel J Boorstin
Well Dave, you asked for science so here’s some science…
This study found an increased risk of contracting the H1N1 virus when given the flu shot:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2850385/
This study found and increased risk of non-influenza upper respiratory infections with the flu shot:
Click to access Increased-risk-of-noninfluenza-respiratory-virus-infections-associated-with-receipt-of-inactivated-influenza-vaccine.pdf
This is a blog post covering several studies that show how the flu shot suppresses the immune system. There’s lots of goodies in this article, and it’s a must read for anyone who wants to understand more about the flu shot. The studies are linked so you can look them up yourself: http://vaccinepapers.org/influenza-vaccine-immune-suppression/#papers
This article explains in understandable English a study that found decreased protection from the flu with “serial” vaccination for the flu (the study is linked in the article):
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2016/04/study-prior-year-vaccination-cut-flu-vaccine-effects-2014-15
Here’s one with the impressive title “Vaccination against Human Influenza A/H3N2 Virus Prevents the Induction of Heterosubtypic Immunity against Lethal Infection with Avian Influenza A/H5N1 Virus”:
Click to access Vaccination-against-Human-Influenza-AH3N2-Virus-Prevents-the-Induction-of-Heterosubtypic-Immunity-against-Lethal-Infection-with-Avian-Influenza-AH5N1-Virus.pdf
This study found that the first flu shot you get results in a strong antibody response, but that antibody response wanes every year you get an additional flu shot (implication: the flu shot is eventually rendered ineffective because the immune system is trained to have a blunted response to the flu virus – which is a bad thing if you actually come down with the flu):
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X17303900
This study found the same issue with the antibody response, and also found that poorly matched flu strains in the vaccine versus the circulating virus actually increases risk of contracting the flu (which explains why the flu runs rampant in the years that the flu strains don’t match).
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2016/04/study-prior-year-vaccination-cut-flu-vaccine-effects-2014-15
This study found that people who got the flu shot then got the flu were 6.3 times more infectious than people who didn’t get the shot and got the flu: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/01/17/1716561115
The Cochran Collaboration did a great study on flu shot efficacy and one of the things they exposed was that the CDC uses relative risk instead of absolute risk to claim the flu shot is more effective than it really is. This study is the “go-to” for an honest look at how effective the flu shot actually is (or isn’t): http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD001269.pub4/abstract
Here’s another link that will give you lots more studies to ponder: https://www.greenmedinfo.com/anti-therapeutic-action/vaccination-influenza
ICAN is also a wonderful resource, as is Children’s Health Defense, SANE Vax Inc, The Vaccine Safety Commission, Corvelva, The Alliance for Human Research Protection, and the list goes on. These organizations all cite bonafide, peer reviewed, published research. So, check them out and you will no longer wish that someone would do the research, because you’ll see that it is being done.
So Dave, the truth is out there. There are tons of studies that answer every single one of your questions, plus questions you hadn’t even thought of. Skip google, because google no longer links to studies that question the dogma. Find reputable organizations that have real scientists who explain the science in the English that the marginally intelligent (like me) can understand.
The link seems to direct me to the first conference
https://app.glueup.com/event/protecting-health-and-autonomy-in-the-21st-century-20563/home.html
I will certainly be looking at this conference with great interest, but my fear is that its recommendations will be ignored like so much of the other advice that is being given by expert doctors and scientists at the moment.
That too !
I am pro vaccines, as a general rule, but that’s vaccines that have been tried and tested over many years. I do NOT want to take a Covid vaccine within the next year simply because it will not have been tested adequately. Furthermore, there seems to be a decided lack of knowledge about just how useful antibodies are with Covid, since those who have had the disease allegedly lose their immunity quickly. If vaccination is made mandatory, I will be refusing it and if that means ending up in jail then so be it. I’ve had enough of being bullied through my life while governments ignore statistical evidence and science right, left and centre. I won’t be a guinea pig for an untested vaccine too.
Same here – this year, I’m skipping the influenza vaccine – for now (Will wait 6mo or so)- I’m worried that the people that normally work to make safe vaccines have been distracted/co-opted to work on CoVid.
Karl, you need to read this article before you decide to get any flu shot, now or later. It explains how a study released this year by the Department of Defense found that the flu shot increases the risk of contracting a corona virus by 36%.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccine-misinformation-flu-shots-equal-health/
Also, the following study shows that the flu shot increases rates of non-flu respiratory illness, like pneumonia. http://vaccinepapers.org/wp-content/uploads/Increased-risk-of-noninfluenza-respiratory-virus-infections-associated-with-receipt-of-inactivated-influenza-vaccine.pdf
Here’s a really good blog that goes through some of the science and explains why you risk other infections when you get the flu shot. You might want to take a look at it before you decide to consent. http://vaccinepapers.org/influenza-vaccine-immune-suppression/#papers
You might want to reconsider getting it at all – ever again.
Chancery, I love the fact that this awful issue has made you stop and think about vaccine safety. Let me encourage you to attend the conference, or at least listen to some of the material out there of people who will be speaking. The reason why I say this is because you will learn that this mantra of vaccines being tried and tested and found to be safe has no truth to it. Concerning testing, no vaccine has ever been tested against an inert placebo, nor will it be because that would expose just how unsafe vaccines can be. As for safety, not only has billions been paid out in damages through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in America alone, a recent independent study that looked at vaccinated vs unvaccinated children shows that vaccinated children are significantly more unhealthy than unvaccinated children: https://www.oatext.com/pdf/JTS-3-186.pdf
And here is an excellent article by Dr. Jeffrey Dach that explains several of the reasons why there is controversy around the vaccine industry: https://jeffreydachmd.com/2018/08/financial-kickbacks-to-pediatricians-for-vaccination-harms-children/
I understand everyone’s reluctance about the COVID vaccine, since it is being pushed out at “warp speed”. However, people who support all other vaccines but resist a COVID vaccine don’t realize that the vaccines we have been giving to our children all these decades have never been proven safe, and have injured millions and millions of people around the world (and I mean that literally). I hope you decide to join the conference and listen to what the experts at the conference have to say. They will help to better inform your opinion.
Yes I tend to agree. I’m quite happy to take a safe, effective vaccine that will actually protect me against something nasty like TB or tetanus, but not a practically untested one that has never been shown to be safe on people with lung or heart problems for a disease that is mild in most people.
https://www.nvic.org/Events/2020-International-Conference.aspx
What makes someone sound like an “anti-vaxer” is ignoring that there are also leading scientists who, while supporting vaccine development, are also voicing caution.
There are instances where a vaccine which may not have only a moderate level of efficacy is useful as long as it has been proven to be safe and not cause adverse effects. Examples might be health care workers, teachers and others at risk for exposure to asymptomatic carriers.
Others are well cautioned to watch and wait and make individualized decisions based on their personal beliefs and risk factors, other means of protection available to them and longer term performance of any vaccine once made available.
Another important thing that has not been done in the past – as far as I can ascertain – is a systematic and methodical study of the precise effects of all vaccinations, before and after. Which exact people got which batch of which vaccine, when and where, administered by whom? What was each person’s health status and history before the vaccination? What happened to them for several years (at least) afterwards?
As far as I know, the pharma and medical establishments have gone to great lengths to make sure no such studies have ever been done. That allows them to wave their arms and claim that vaccines have more or less eliminated great scourges of the past – which simply isn’t true.
“the pharma and medical establishments have gone to great lengths to make sure no such studies have ever been done.” I doubt it. All that’s required for there to be no studies is for nobody to offer to fund one.
OK, then: “short lengths”. 😎
Shame I can`t afford the $80. Senior concessions would have been nice. Maybe someone will post the highlights on YouTube or something.
If I was given the choice — get the vaccine or get deliberately infected with Covid-19 — I think I might choose the latter. At least I have a good idea of what the risks are, and because I’m in good health I don’t expect to suffer much in the short or long term.
I agree with you, Martin. Good point. Inject me with the virus and I’ll self-quarantine.
Er, I don’t think that would work. How can they “inject you with the virus” when none of it has ever been isolated? It would be much the same as a vaccination: you’d be injected with a whole menagerie of biological and inorganic materials, any of which could be harmful. (Such as mercury, or “hitch-hiker” viruses that happened to be in the animal cells used to prepare the stuff).
Bismarck is said to have quipped (it was a joke, by his standards) that no one who likes sausage or admires the law should ever watch either of them being made.
The same is true, and very much more so, of vaccines. You can only like them, or even accept them, if you know absolutely nothing about how they are prepared.
Well, a bunch pf hamsters were allegedly injected with the virus in order to “prove” that masks work – which if you filter youir entire air supply all day, every day through a surgical mask and are not one of the unlucky minority (and are a hamster) they might. However, that study did suggest that getting the virus “naturally” though breathing ave rise to a miler version aht having it injected. And even without the mask, not all the hamsters caught it (even though all their air was infected). https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Study-Surgical-masks-reduce-spread-hamster-hong-ko-15281491.php
Frango, I think you are right, and I’m sure I couldn’t get anyone to actually do it, even if it was possible. That leads me to the question (just of of curiosity), if someone really wanted to become infected, what would be the most reliable method? We hear a lot about how to prevent transmission, what about the opposite? And, just for the record, I really don’t want to become infected.
I may yet be faced with “have the vaccine or lose your job” as I work in a hospital with a lot of patient contact. Absolutely clear what the decision will me from my side………………… We have yet to be forced to have the flu vaccine but on observations of its ill effects on some staff (and patients??) I am not wearing one of those chirpy purple badges.
Vaccination compulsory? Wha daur meddle wi’ me?
Well, the precedents are there. Consider how the state collects taxes from citizens who may be unwilling. It makes demands, and if it can it “garnishes” its plunder from your bank account. Or it steals your house.
But if you chose to withdraw all your wealth and keep it (say in the form of gold) under your bed, and defended your house with a gun – in the end the forces of law and order would certainly kill you to end your defiance. Past a certain point it’s no longer just about getting their money – much as they lust after it – but more about demonstrating that “resistance is futile”.
So if you insisted on refusing a “mandatory” vaccine, they might end up killing you to save you from the less than 1-in-10,000 chance of being harmed by the hypothetical virus.
As Ronald Reagan said in one of his lucid moments, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help’”.
Can anyone point me to an independent study that demonstrates a vaccine has actually prevented someone developing symptoms, when challenged with the disease vaccinated against?
There are many examples through history. In the early 18th century, Charles Maitland did a challenge study using varolation with smallpox to prevent the disease in six prisoners. Much later, Edward Jenner, used cowpox to immunize a child who was later challenged with smallpox (the smallpox was inoculated by variolation). The child failed to develop symptoms and this demonstrated the protective immunity of the cowpox vaccine,
Challenge studies have also been done with new experimental influenza vaccines. In general, these studies show efficacy, but they are no where near being fully protective. Generally speaking, challenge studies require challenging both unvaccinated and placebo volunteers with a virus challenge. For ethical reasons, in current times, challenge studies are not permitted with pathogens. Having said that, you must be aware of proposed challenge studies being designed for Covid19, presumably in younger volunteers without comorbidities.
We don’t need to look solely at challenge studies for proof of vaccine efficacy. Both the smallpox and measles vaccine repeatedly showed efficacy in eliminating the former and drastically reducing case numbers in the latter. The “ring” strategy of smallpox vaccination demonstrated over and over again the efficacy of this vaccination. Measles vaccination has turned measles from a almost certain childhood infection to a rare disease in developed nations. In the US, annual reported measles cases plummeted from over 300,000 prior to vaccination to less than 50 cases within several years. Importantly, prior to vaccination most measles cases were not reported and it is estimated that several million cases occurred annually in the US. In contrast, virtually all measle cases are reported in this vaccination era.
If anyone suggests that smallpox or measles were in decline prior to vaccination (as has appeared previously on this blog), they are not being sceptical, but rather, they are demonstrating complete ignorance of the facts, or flat out lying.
Vaccine hesitancy is the primary reason that measles has not been eradicated in developed nations. Today, the majority of cases of measles occur in unvaccinated groups. One study in the US revealed that patients contracting measles in an outbreak were 79.5% unvaccinated, 11.5% unknown status, 5.8% had received a single vaccination and 3.2% double vaccinated. A second study of a large outbreak in the USA found that over 90% of the cases were in unvaccinated persons. Bear in mind, that over 90% of the children in the USA are vaccinated, and yet cases of measles primarily occur in the unvaccinated. Clear evidence of vaccine efficacy.
So while, the impending Covid19 vaccines do need a critical evaluation of both efficacy and safety, a general denial of the utility of vaccines is not based on science or facts.
My biggest concern about this vaccine conference is that it any legitimate concerns about the testing of potential Covid19 vaccines will be buried by a mountain of misinformation. I also worry that governments have a fear of being completely transparent about vaccine efficacy and safety, not because of some imagined global conspiracy, but rather because powerful anti-vaccine groups will distort and misrepresent information to suit their agenda.
@KennieG said “If anyone suggests that smallpox or measles were in decline prior to vaccination………they are demonstrating complete ignorance of the facts, or flat out lying.”
‘Fraid not old chap — here’s the ONS data from the UK government that clearly shows that measles as a cause of death had fallen significantly BEFORE any measles vaccination had been introduced (in 1968). Widespread measles vaccination, classified as over 90% by PHE, was not achieved until MMR was introduced in 1988.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013
I remember seeing this mentioned previously about measles’ mortality in the US; and about how vaccination had only began after the numbers had already declined quite dramatically. So I decided to look into UK data and easily found this ONS article, which shows the same type of pre-vaccination decline.
And the other thing that probably contributed to the ONS data on measles incidence is, in the same way as “whooping cough” apparently declined once there was a vaccine (because doctors failed to spot it, thinking that the vaccine worked well!), doctors probably didn’t spot mild cases of measles once the vaccine was in general use (ie the MMR). I think I read that the outbreak in south Wales a few years ago turned out to be far smaller than thought at the time, once lab test were done to confirm cases. So as these illnesses get milder, the symptoms aren’t as obvious. In the case of pertussis, it also appears that prolonged coughs turn out to be whooping cough but the “whoop” part of it started to disappear from the symptom picture many years ago.
I can only speak from personal experience. I was vaccinated for pertussis. Later, I had the disease. Fairly mildly,and it was said that was because I had had the vaccine – who knows. It is just the sort of soother that they do say. As for measles, yes I had it – so did mosst kids. It was no big deal, and I never heard of any serious complications. Doctors were not involved with the regular illnesses then – only if somebody was aa very poorly kid. So how do they know who had what – it wasn’t written down as far as I know. And if diseases were notifiable, who notified – presumably a doctor, but if he wasn’t involved it didn’t happen. Or did they rely on the nosey neighbour system?
I also had whooping cough after being vaccinated. But mine was fairly bad and I had lung damage which has never gone away. I also had measles (some eye damage but no more than lots of kids seem to get from reading) and chickenpox, which was a non-event, not even very itchy. So did see doctor for whooping cough and measles, chickenpox was dealt with at school, so no doctor.
I always wondered about the ‘notifiable disease’ aspect of measles because as far as I remember, my mother didn’t call the doctor as it wasn’t necessary. Everyone knew how to deal with measles back then. So the data that the ONS has must be an underestimate of the true incidence of measles at that time. I arranged to see my medical records a couple of years ago and was amazed to find the actual card records that had followed me around the country from when I was a baby. But no mention of measles on there at all!
” Fraid not old chap”- You have missed the point. The question I addressed was vaccine efficacy, using measles vaccine as an example of an efficacious vaccine. You are discussing how our health care system improved the treatment of pneumonias caused by measles to result in a much lower mortality.
The incidence of measle did not decline prior to vaccination, but you are correct, that prior to vaccination,the number of measles deaths did decline rapidly in developed nations. The reason was not reduced incidence of disease, nor that the virus was weakened. Quite simply, our health care system became skilled at treating the pneumonias, often secondary to measles thereby preventing death. The advent of antibiotics played a significant reduction in measles mortality.
The data is clear, and most people over the age of 60 are aware that almost everyone contracted measles prior to vaccination. Measles vaccination led to an astonishing decline in reported measles cases in developed nations.
Or measles became far less severe.
Kennie,
You describe my situation in 1952. I was slowly dying of the putrefaction of a measles co-infection. My parents could no longer bear the stench of death in my little bedroom. The Dr visited daily with his big chrome and glass syringe. Whatever that infection was, penicillin saved my life but I still lost much of my hearing.
Dr. Malcolm,
How severe is that, doc?
Does the timing of that decline (after 1952?) suggest anything about the vaccine’s effect on severity?
What are your perceived reasons for severity decline? “Became” is kinda foggy.
Dr. Kendrick,
It’s easy to put up a Feynman quote.
Take it to heart.
I’m questioning your answer.
How and when did measles BECOME far less severe?
I keep at this because measles set me back and changed the course of my life
The measles vaccine has set a lot of people back and changed the course of their lives, and the lives of their parents. When 800,000 children in the UK were mass vaccinated, it was known the vaccine would cause anaphylactic shock, and it did. It was not always done in a setting where emergency treatment was available. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1710586/ (Article on page 41)
JDPatten, I’m sorry that measles set you back…but was this the common reaction? I will share my anecdote. I was born in November 1959 in London. My mother recalls me having measles around 18 months of age (this would have been in 1961, and is unlikely to be laboratory verified…) She was a young mother, only 19 years old and I was her first child. She was shocked to see her baby covered in spots and called the doctor to the house. My mother recalls the doctor said I had measles, but told her not to worry, they would just run their course (a rather more benign message than we receive nowadays…) My mother said the spots lasted about ten days and I did not seem to be too adversely affected. She said “it did not put you off your food in any way” and “you used to sleep right through the night from 10.00 pm to 6.00 am.” In 2012 I had serological testing (i.e. a blood test) to check my immunity for measles, mumps and rubella. According to these tests I understand I am ‘protected’. It seems I have natural immunity to measles due to having this disease as a child. Somehow I must have had exposure to mumps too, but I do not recall having obvious symptoms of this disease. It’s likely I had rubella vaccination as a girl. My mother also mentioned that she was diagnosed with having the mumps when she was fifteen years old (again, unlikely to be laboratory verified). She said: “The pain was so bad I can’t describe it.” This seems to fit with the idea that these diseases can be more severe in older individuals.
My experience of measles was also uneventful. I was born in 1958 and had measles when I was 6 (not lab-verified, of course) as did most of my school friends as we attended the usual “measles party” to ensure we got it out of the way as it was inevitable. Nobody that I knew had any problems after it. I just recall being in bed in a darkened room being waited on by my mum! As far as I was concerned, it was great.
I also don’t recall having mumps although my friend down the road did, but not many of our peer group had any obvious symptoms. I understand that for about 30% of children it’s asymptomatic and a further large percentage only has mild symptoms without the parotitis that is the usual painful part. What seems to be happening since the MMR is that the disease is occurring in older teens when it’s potentially ‘dangerous’.
I recall having the rubella vaccine at school when I was about 12. However, my 32 year old daughter told me when she was pregnant 5 years ago, they no longer test pregnant women for rubella, being told “it’s not around any more”!
However, somehow I managed to avoid chicken pox until I was 19 – that was more irritating than anything else as I had loads of tiny spots compared to when my children had it at a far younger age, the youngest one only had a handful of spots when she about 1.
AhNotepad,
The rate of anaphylaxis in your scrap from 1987 on your turf is 1/18,888.
The rate in this scrap from 2002 on my turf is 1/555,555
(Funny how the math repeats like that.)
I’d rather live now and here.
https://pmlegacy.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12456938
Could you use normal language rather than urban-legend-speak or whatever it is you use. Then someone simple like me might be able to understand what you are trying to say.
elizabethhart,
Hm. we each get dealt a different hand of cards.
1952 is a long way to look back when trying to get reliable statistics. Here are some interesting links. You decide on their reliability.
(I just hope this doesn’t fire up the usual tit for tat!)
https://scienceofmom.com/2015/02/11/measles-is-serious-a-history-lesson-from-my-grandmother/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22889539/
https://www.unitypoint.org/blankchildrens/pedsgeekmd-article.aspx?id=babec96f-cf1e-4af1-b421-adfcb36ca561
And this fella I can vouch for. A decade ago he replaced my ruined eardrum, bringing the “hammer” back on line. A delicate grafting operation. He was able to help my hearing some mechanically, but not neurologically.
https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1997.tb51899.x
All of this is fine and interesting, but it still doesn’t answer my “BECAME” question of Dr. Kendrick.
C’mon, Ah, we both know that’s not true. (Your audience appreciates it though, yeah?)
In any case, for simplicity:
“Scrap” refers to your tiny article as well as my more expansive and detailed one. Each presents a mere scrap of information compared to the unattainable measure of abstruse reality.
Your “turf” is the UK; mine is the USA.
OK.
I put this up to indicate the almost thirty-fold difference in anaphylaxis incidence between yours and mine.
Are they both correct? Can time in decades and the pond between us make such a difference? Something’s sketchy.
JDPatten, re the links you provided re measles…
You provide a link to a blog titled ‘The Science of Mom The Heart and Science of Parenting’ by Alice Callahan PhD. Callahan’s PhD is in Nutritional Biology.
In her blog article ‘Measles Is Serious (A History Lesson from My Grandmother)’, Callahan refers to measles outbreaks, saying: “In this situation, I particularly feel for those who can’t be vaccinated. Babies under 12 months of age and people who are too immunocompromised to get the MMR vaccine, like cancer patients receiving chemotherapy, are counting on the rest of us to get vaccinated and reduce the spread of this disease. Right now, we’re letting them down.”
Re “Babies under 12 months of age…” Given that Alice Callaghan PhD promotes her book ‘The Science of Mom: A Research-Based Guide to Your Baby’s First Year’ in this blog article, it’s surprising she doesn’t seem to know that babies under 12 months of age aren’t vaccinated because they’re expected to have maternally derived antibodies from their mother…or do they?
It’s emerging in recent times that mass vaccination with the MMR may be shortening the duration of protection by maternally derived antibodies against measles, mumps and rubella, i.e. that the children of vaccinated mothers may become vulnerable to disease sooner than those of mothers naturally infected with measles, mumps and rubella.
As I raised in a BMJ rapid response, this result of mass vaccination with the MMR may have devastating consequences for future generations, is anyone considering this?
See my BMJ rapid response: What does failing vaccine immunity mean for current and future generations? https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l1481/rr-6
We really need to think about the possible deleterious consequences of mass vaccination, particularly with fast-tracked coronavirus vaccine products in the offing…
Thank you Dr Kendrick. There are too few in your profession brave enough to put their head above the parapet. Calling for open debate, is it really that radical?
Power ‘over’ or coercive control reveals itself in what is not allowed open discussion or questioning.
This is the corruption of power – not the power of true relational communication, exchange and agreement (which includes agreeing to areas of disagreement).
The belief in open society operates by so crafting the mind as as to automatically avoid the arenas of controversy that has been rigged or weighted to smear, vilify and invalidate the right to speak.
This operates similarly to a slave’s training in never daring to look at his or her Owner – much less speak when not spoken to.
For many, a sort of contract operated in seemingly open societies in which being effectively owned, managed or controlled came with provision of freedoms and services by which to become always more dependent.
It is the removal of such freedoms under a restructuring that will also mean culling people and consciousness, that reveals the net that has long been in place but for most, relatively loosely.
The systems that we accept and adapt to as collective protection, social or financial order are always attacked and captured by the wish to rig the system to serve private agenda. Part of this is that systems are a way of no longer having to exercise responsibility or bring consciousness present. Learning to operate under systems is internalising habits that allow a kind of sleepwalking or daydreaming – while trusting ‘others’ to ensure all is working properly.
Mass production and centralisation of systems of mass management may seem efficient on a cash account, but concentrate vast inequalities of access to wealth as leverage. that overrides the rights of others and effectively plunders, assets strips and discards toxic consequence in seeking always more ‘control’. Or global monopoly as a systemic undermining and capturing of all apparent checks and balances on which life support depends.
As such it operates a machine intelligence not unlike a ‘Terminator’ that will not stop until you are dead! Why? Because to a control mindset, life is a virus to be eradicated, and the ideal of its order raised over the corpse. Not unlike the phrase, “Well we lost the patient Doc, but we got the cancer!”
We need structure as part of being human, but as a basis through which to live, not for which to sacrifice our life to. Jesus says it as; “Man was not made for the Law. Law is made for Man”.
But to those invested in using Law or systems of regulatory order, as a weapon, he says nothing that can be heard or understood.
We do need a reset, but not into a contraction of living to slavery or worse under a sealed control system with no user access. To be a subject of medical and genetic or psychological experimentation – without consent or right to a human voice or recognised existence is not unthinkable to those who engage in it.
This is not nearly as ‘extreme’ as it seems for those who are not masked off or insulated from society’s underbelly. But masking the mind does not really address an ongoing active issue that only grows in the places we withdraw from, to then suddenly reveal a contagion in the body politic that can no longer hide its intent.
From Wikipedia – NATURALLY !!!
“The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded under the name Dissatisifed Parents Together (DPT) in 1982, is an American 501(c)(3)[1] organization that has been widely criticized as a leading source of fearmongering and misinformation about vaccines.[2][3][4] While NVIC describes itself as the “oldest and largest consumer led organization advocating for the institution of vaccine safety and informed consent protections”,[5] it promotes false and misleading information including the discredited claim that vaccines cause autism,[6][7][8] and its campaigns portray vaccination as risky, encouraging people to consider “alternatives.”[9]”
So I suppose any resolution(s) will be laughed off as the ravings of Nut Cases ! ( and disciples of Dr Wakefield. )
The world now seems to have lost an “Open Mind”, and organisations such as Wikipedia are much to blame for this.
I am anti Wikipedia, mainly for its complete dominance of academic information on the internet. I do historical research as a hobby, and am frequently frustrated by the monopoly of Wikipedia based articles wiping out any alternative or deeper analysis. This is reminiscent of E. M. Forster’s essay “The Machine Stops”, a recommended read for anyone who questions the current state we all are in. It appears to predict the World we are now beginning to enter?
Wiki is ok for the longest river in the world, population of such & such and general knowledge trivia. It’s not unlike the readers digest of old loves cozy comfort & basically cannot cope with challenging data.
‘This is reminiscent of E. M. Forster’s essay “The Machine Stops”…’
Yes, an absolutely astonishing masterpeice of predictive fiction – written not by an established SF author (of whom there were practically none yet, except Verne and Wells), but by a great novelist of the human condition (and a prominent member of the Bloomsbury Group)!
Many interesting points and considerations
In your Brand new tube chat from a previous blog you mentioned a book written, I think about the problems of research rather than vaccines, can anyone remind me of the title/ author. Good as the chat was I don’t need to listen again to find the reference!!
As for this conference I am wary of being pulled into the general anti vaccination argument although I have no problem with arguing against the undertested Covid vaccines and for what it’s worth I have updated my MP with your last post on vaccinations Malcolm following Tobias Ellwood MP asking In the house for consideration of a mandatory vaccination programme to start next summer!
Are you referring to the book “Doctoring Data” that Dr Kendrick wrote himself?
Was it Deadly Medicines by Dr Peter Gotzsche?
Because of widespread fear of adverse side effects from the Covid-19 vaccine, more people are venturing down the vaccine rabbit hole and starting to question what we’ve been told about the safety and efficacy of vaccines Vaccines are manufactured by corporations that have no liability for vaccines but have paid out billions in fines for other drugs such as VIOXX, as part of the cost of doing business. With no liability vaccine manufacturers have little incentive to make vaccines safe. Except for the nuclear industry, vaccines are the only product that has zero liability for the manufacturer. You can’t sue a vaccine manufacturer even if the product is defective. This will also be the case for the Covid Vaccine. Even if the vaccine injures or kills you, the manufacturer is off the hook.
As Bobby Kennedy says, “This is the first time that the public is seeing how the sausage is made.” The Covid Vaccine is being rushed out at warp speed but it isn’t unique. There are problems with the entire industry that need to be addressed.
They can’t be sued in the US but I think there was a ruling in the UK that vaccine manufacturers were not exempt from being sued here in the UK……but i could be wrong.
Manufacturers wouldn’t be sued, but the health authority who bought and issuing the vaccine would. Go figure !
So if the authorities’ massed ranks of highly-paid QCs didn’t manage to defeat the claim, any compensation or damages would be paid by… the taxpayer!
As usual.
God forbid any filthy rich people or corporations should have to pay for their own crimes against humanity.
CDC report on wearing masks: https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/new-cdc-study-finds-majority-of-those-infected-with-covid-19-always-wore-masks/
Yes- that’s all over the big media pages- er em ok – maybe I got that wrong there !
Henry, the study shows that the majority of participants always wore masks. What has that to do with the proportion who got infected with Sars Cov 2 – except that the majority wore masks?
Really dumb.
At the very least, the figures show that wearing a mask had absolutely no effect in reducing the likelihood of getting infected.
I don’t think anyone expects it to be proved that wearing a mask makes you more likely to be infected. (Although it might be a popular straw man).
It also says that the majority got infected in a family situation. Do you really believe they were wearing masks in the house at all times? I suspect that when they say they always wore masks they meant outside while shopping or walking around or at work not within their homes. You also cannot wear a mask when eating or drinking but you are still breathing in and out in a restaurant or bar.
Still shows that wearing masks as ordered by the government makes no difference, so pointless. I also suspect that most people report eating out or going to a pub as those as the only things that they see as being “noteworthy” or different, They won’t remember the person coughing in the street that they pushed past on the way to the shops or the air they breathed on their daily walk or at work, or the credit card machine they touched in the shop, or the clothes they took off before bed, or the neighbour they shouted to across the street. It’s a bit like those observational diet studies where people try to record what they eat and get it wrong every time. Viruses are in the air all the time and don’t just stop and fall down 2 metres away from you. If your immune system is susceptible, you will catch whatever is going round eventually.
I wonder who voted your comment down, Henry. How could anyone object to a link pointing to a report by the glorious, sacred, infallible CDC?
Probably some crank.
Hi Sarah, Thanks for the info you sent. I will follow up for sure. Here is a blog that I’m following. Thought you may be interested if you are not already there.
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Thank you for this, Malcolm. I am very concerned about what is going on in the world of vaccines and Covid 19, especially after reading your last blog. Yes, those who even mildly challenge the use of vaccines are often labelled “anti-vaxxers” and it is very hard to have a reasoned discussion with some of those who really believe vaccines are going to be the magic bullet. But even Boris expressed some caution yesterday about a possible vaccine in a rare moment of honesty. There will be immense amounts of money to be made if the pharma’s can effect more immunity from prosecution and get agreement to use vaccines before all phases in the clinical trials have been completed.
I will definitely take a look at the conference.
Thank you.
Thank you for keeping us informed
as virtue-signalling folks continue to chant the mindless refrain “protect the elderly”;
it is axiomatic surely that they have NO contact with any elderly; to allow them to say what they do; so thoughtlessly …….
eg https://twitter.com/AlisonBlunt/status/1313742339316350986
and https://twitter.com/sandiwood11/status/1315679519739707392
more on “protecting the elderly”
As for the general benefit of the inflicted guidance, Scott Atlas said in a recent interview;
”And then, in direct response to a question about Dr. Fauci:
“History will record the faces of the public health expertise as some of the most sinful, egregious, epic failures in the history of public policy. They have killed people with their lack of understanding and their lack of caring about not just the impact of cases of COVID-19, a virus that the overwhelming majority of people do well in. They never cared to considered the impact of the policy itself, and the policy itself has been a complete epic failure, and honestly some people say a crime against humanity — these people should be held accountable for what they did.””
Albert Einstein said “I believe that the abominable deterioration of ethical standards stems primarily from the mechanisation and depersonalisation of our lives”. He might have been referring to the overarching global power wielded by ‘Big Pharma’ and submissive governments.
Dr K,
This is, as you are no doubt aware, very dangerous territory for any professional to talk about; your spine is made of steel. I salute you Sir; you will always have my full support.
Well Doc, I was impressed with your integrity when you went against the talking heads, followed your conscience and the science, risked being attacked by the ignorant and the powerful, and spoke out about the truth regarding statins. But, now… being willing to seek and speak truth concerning the vaccine issue and the corruption surrounding this issue… now you are just awesome. If you keep this up you might just end up in an almost dead heat with Bobby Kennedy Jr for the man I respect most in the world for his integrity. The competition is stiff though, because Dr. Andrew Wakefield is also in the running, as are a few others. But Bobby… there’s just something about Bobby. Maybe it’s the blue eyes. Ok, you’ll be one of my top 5. Don’t be disappointed, that’s still a great accomplishment.
Thank you for putting this out to your readers. Most people I meet who support mandatory vaccines have either limited or no real knowledge about why there is even a controversy about vaccines. Once they learn a few key pieces of information they begin to realize that they aren’t being told the whole truth, that the truth isn’t as simple as they’ve been led to believe, and that the undisclosed facts are disturbing.
Informed consent requires two things: being fully informed of the potential risks and benefits, and the right to refuse. There is a reason that there is such a controversy about vaccines, as there has been since the small pox inoculation was mandated in the 1800’s. I hope your readers join the conference and benefit from hearing a side of the story (and the science that backs it up) that is kept out of the mainstream.
I just read this on Zero Hedge: “France reported the number of new patients in ICUs increased by 94 to 1,642 on Tuesday, the biggest jump since April 6, reaching the highest level since late May.”
Just as flu shot season rolled around and everybody is rushing to get a flu shot because they think it will protect them from a totally different virus, people are suddenly not just catching SARS-Cov2, but the numbers of people who are getting very sick when they catch SARS-Cov2 are getting incredibly higher. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
What populations are at greater risk of dying from COVID? The elderly in facilities, those with co-morbidities, healthcare workers, ambulance drivers, and police officers (believe it or not, in NJ we had over 600 cops sick and something like 34 cops die way back in March). What do all these populations have in common? They are all either forced or coerced into getting the flu shot.
Rethink the flu shot people! Take advantage of Informed Consent while you still have the liberty to do so… become informed before you consent!
The last vaccination I had was for polio when I was a kid (I’m 77 now). They won’t give me the current flu vaccine because I have rheumatoid arthritis and the drug I take for it compromises my immune system. I’m hoping that also applies to the COVID vaccine. I’m suddenly more appreciative of having RA. And I’ve never had the flu.
I had the ‘flu once about 40 years ago. Not since. I had Chickenpockets when I was 5, measles and mumps at 6/7, wanted to get whooping cough because that was worth four weeks off school, not two, AND you got sent down a coal mine as part of the cure. Somehow my parents, a highly qualified nurse and a coal miner, didn’t seem quite so keen ….. must’ve been the thought of having me at home all day. And I wasn’t vaccinated, maybe Mum had an inkling that perhaps all the jabs she got as an SRN, SRM and SRHV might have had something to do with her MS? Never know now.
People need to distinguish between pro-vaxxers, anti-vaxxers, and leave-me-aloners. Pro-vaxxers insist that everyone must be vaccinated. Leave-me-aloners don’t vaccinate themselves or their kids, think it would be better if everyone else didn’t but are happy for people to make their own choice. I doubt, because I’ve never met one, that there are any rabid anti-vaxxers in the same line as pro-vaxxers.
I see today that another vaccine manufacturer has had to pause its trial due to ‘unexplained illness’….
Good on you for your continuing efforts and I loved your statement that you’d be paid for your work – to some, ‘a spade is still a spade’!.
I would like more emphasis on this – “vaccination is a medical intervention performed on a healthy person …
We’re still in the grips of media hysteria here in Victoria, called ‘stage 4 lockdown’ with something called “roadsmaps” (maybe to more nowhere plans, etc!) with no real forward planning at all except the isolation – no mention of any alternative health options or discussions of the real health pandemics, and we have them all –
The influence of ‘big pharma’ is firmly entrenched here, unfortunately in the media, politicians, medical clinics, etc – successful population indoctrination ….
A stronger case against COVID-19 and flu vaccination can be made than tentatively acknowledging that they are potentially valuable, but that due to potential harm – and for principles protecting against violation of the self – people should have the right not to be vaccinated.
The case is much stronger than that. Vitamin D supplementation so that most people achieve at least 40ng/ml 25OHD, will be far more beneficial. The ancestral range of 40 to 60ng/ml (100 to 150nmol/L) is recommended by many vitamin D researchers and MDs, most recently in “Immunologic Effects of Vitamin D on Human Health and Disease” Charoenngam & Holick 2020-07-15 Nutrients 2020, 12(7), 2097 https://doi.org/10.3390/nu12072097 .
For average weight adults, on average, to attain 50ng/ml 0.125mg (5000IU) D3 a day is required. Twice this is fine too, and far below the intake quantities which might cause toxicity due to 25OHD levels above 150ng/ml (375nmol/L). 25OHD levels are self-limiting. See the Ekwaru graphs at https://aminotheory.com/cv19/d3/ for intake -> 25OHD level averages for underweight, average weight, overweight and obese adults.
To aim for 50ng/ml, with average or overweight body morphology: 1.8 to 3.6ug D3 per kg body weight is required. This applies for all people from newborns to the elderly. For obese body morphology: 2.5 to 5.0ug D3 per kg body weight. Morbidly obese people need medical care and probably need a higher ratio.
This means: 72 to 144IU per kg or 33 to 66IU per pound body weight – and for those with obesity: 100 to 200 IU/kg or 45 to 90IU/lb.
There is a plethora of evidence that COVID-19 severe symptoms, harm and death occur in proportion to how weak and dysregulated the immune system is. “Dysregulation” means that some immune responses are overly-aggressive, hyper-inflammatory and self-destructive. By far the most important, easily correctable, cause of this, worldwide, is inadequate vitamin D levels, as measured by the 25OHD form of vitamin D in the blood, which supplies 25OHD to be used in the autorcrine (inside the cell) signaling system of many types of cell, especially those of the immune system.
0.125mg (5000IU) a day is a gram of D3 every 22 years, and its ex-factory cost is USD$2.50 a gram.
If most or all people had ca. 50ng/ml 25OHD levels, the SARS-CoV-2 virus would rarely cause harm. The first and best known benefit is actually the least significant: a reduced chance of being infected for any given viral insult. The second is the most important for the person: milder or non-existent symptoms and a greatly reduced chance of serious symptoms, harm or death.
The third is the most important for all of society, and from the point of view of personal responsibility. Although there are no solid observations on this, it is obvious that with reduced severity and/or no symptoms, that those (somewhat fewer number of) people who are infected will shed much fewer viruses per day for fewer days. This is the primary cause of COVID-19 not spreading much in summer and autumn, and why it is now, in the UK and other northern countries, arcing up again to spread much more rapidly in winter and spring.
Robust vitamin D repletion for most people will havenumerous benefits over COVID-19 vaccination on such a scale. It is cheaper, safer, has numerous other health benefits and does not require medical staff, records keeping, syringes etc, travel to remote places, refrigeration etc. Most importantly, the protection it provides does not wear off (assuming the intakes are maintained) and this protection remains strong no matter how the virus mutates, which it is: Evolutionary Analysis of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Reveals Genomic Divergence with Implications for Universal Vaccine Efficacy Nanda Kumar Yellapu et al. Vaccines 2020-10-08 https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/8/4/591 .
Governments are cashed up and keen to vaccinate as many people as possible against one or more strains of COVID-19, but no-one knows when this will be possible. It will never be desirable. It will always be better to encourage and support voluntary D3 supplementation for most or ideally all people, than to vaccinate. These levels of vitamin D will mean there is no need for COVID-19 vaccine – or for deadly and socioeconomically devastating lockdowns, social distancing or masks.
A few people will get severe symptoms and can be treated in hospital with 25OHD, D3, vitamin C, B vitamins, vitamin K2, zinc, and probably some currently widely used drugs. The Cordoba trial https://aminotheory.com/cv19/#2020-Castillo repleted hospitalised COVID-19 patient’s blood 25OHD levels within a few hours (https://www.freepatentsonline.com/20170348249.pdf), by way of two 0.266mg 25OHD (calcifediol) capsules. Oral D3 takes a few days to be converted in the liver to the circulating 25OHD the immune cell need to function properly. The result was that instead of the control group rates of ICU admission (50%) and death (5%), one in 50 of the supplementation group (2%) needed ICU care and none of them died.
This repletion of 25OHD within a few hours of hospital admission has benefits indistinguishable from those of a magic bullet. The trial used Hidroferol brand capsules. This is also available as drinkable ampoules, from Faes Farma: https://profesionalessalud.faesfarma.com/vademecum-escaparate/producto-hidroferol/ . These prescription capsules or ampoules are hard to find online, but a 3mg ampoule costs Euro 9.85: https://www.farmaciatorrent.com/vitaminas-minerales-andorra/84676-hidroferol-choque-vitamina-d-3mg-1-ampolla.html . Lab grade 25OHD costs USD$5/mg in larger quantities. https://www.trc-canada.com/product-detail/?CatNum=C125700 .
The same applies to influenza. There would be no need for a vaccine and hardly anyone not already on the brink of death will suffer severe symptoms. The incidence of sepsis would be greatly reduced. Likewise common colds. The list of other health benefits is too long to go into here, but please see my site https://aminotheory.com/cv19/ . BTW, I am an electronic technician and computer programmer, not a doctor.
Hear hear to Robin, about vitamin D. Why won’t mainstream listen? (I know why!) It would be cheap. My family take it and we have had only mild covid, or not caught covid at all.
“The incidence of sepsis would be greatly reduced. Likewise common colds”.
Likewise profits.
I’ve just read this in https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/14/herd-immunity-coronavirus.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20201014Z2&mid=DM679603&rid=986831447
On the flip side, there’s a phenomenon known as viral interference, where exposure to one virus makes you more susceptible to another virus. Importantly, research30 has found that those who received the influenza vaccine were 36% more susceptible to coronavirus infection.
Please tell me that this is not true and all those additional people over 50 rushing for flu vaccines this year, are not potentially making things worse!!
And in the UK, all those who work for the NHS, who are being pushed (manipulated?) into having the flu jab in short order.
You can simply say that a vax is at least a toxic shock or it would not provoke any defence – (immune response). So taking in toxins is making you susceptible to sickness as such even if it produces antibodies to specific antagonists. As well as the adjuvant are a mix of ingredients that can containe ‘contaminant’ that cannot be eliminated because the ‘viral mix’ is cultured in living cells that then bring matters from such cells be they animals, foetal, or egg cells. Foreign proteins are also toxic, and I read of canine corona antibodies cross reacting with our own naturally generated antibodies.
There are very many studies on flu vaccines and various outcomes that are unintended.
You have a choice; research diligently or trust the salesman to know and act in your best interests.
When is’the fifth conference taking place? Went to the site and couldn’t see it or how to resister for it. Thanks
You can see it here. https://app.glueup.com/event/protecting-health-and-autonomy-in-the-21st-century-20563/
I went to sign up but the cost is not trivial.
I am not complaining and I feel it a worthy endeavour worded in a way that is clearly not against safe and effective vaccinations.
Do you think any of the information will reach the public domain in transcript or video?
Thank you!
I am all not rushing a Covid vaccine and evaluating and debating any risks, and I realize wikipedia has been instrumentalized to discredit alternative voices, but if a small part of this is true, the conference will not be neutral enough:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Information_Center
All for not rushing is what I meant to write
Wikipedia got rid of me
Their loss, Malcolm!
I know. We are trading orders of magnitude on those lumps of salt these days!
Runaway train ?
I don’t know why the ONS doesn’t prominently publish this graph of COVID deaths over the year 2020 for all to see but there we are
Cited on a political blog I frequent where most contributors seem pretty sensible people, although a lot still have faith in lockdown … Is this an ‘age thing’? I’m in my late 60s and many people my age – even a friend’s mother in her 90s – now think it’s vastly overblown and want our social lives back.
Yes I agree that we are only in October, not April, but one may still be tempted to use the words ‘mountain’ and ‘molehill’.
Carl Vernon, who has a Youtube channel, has also presented similar graphs from a few other countries. If they continue along the same path, one assumes that by Mar 2021 the lower peak figures vs Mar/Apr 2020 will be attributed … yes, you guessed it … to locking people up.
Sorry Norman, I like your post! Fat fingers accidentally passed thumbs down and now I can’t change it. Apologies!
Hi Ian, I’ve found that if you hit the “like” button a few times it will rectify the original mistaken down vote.
Thanks Aileen. It works!!
Tip: if you accidentally stab the down thumb, keep rapidly stabbing on the up thumb and it will eventually change.
I do it frequently, perhaps we both have ‘Fat Finger’ disease – hope it’s not a symptom of Covid
Cheers Steve. Maybe you and Aileen should take over the ‘track and trace’ fiasco!
Unless something is done to counter the widespread vitamin D deficiency in the UK population then the figures for March and April 2021 will probably look similar to this years. It is no coincidence that the death rates in the Northern hemisphere were much worse than in places like Australia. Covid hit in Feb /March the time of year when vitamin D levels in an unsupplemented population are at rock bottom as any stores made by sun exposure in the previous summer have been used up over the winter. Given the reluctance of many to sunbathe without sunscreen those stores would be meagre at best. Vit D testing and supplementation on a massive scale is a no brainer but will not be forthcoming as a cheap as chips solution would endanger the profits of the pharmaceutical companies who are developing vaccines and no doubt contribute to the coffers of political parties. It is a scandal. People are being allowed to die for profit.
I believe that lowering cholesterol and eating a low fat diet contributes to Vit D deficiency as well.
Maybe this is a defendable belief but not along the lines of HFLC favored here. I encourage you do look at Peter’s blog (hyperlipid). It seems the Cornona Virus thrives on a diet of linoleic acid.
Diving one level deeper, the real culprit seems to be metabolic syndrome as driven by high carb and high PUFA diets. Low fat and most fats as PUFA will reduce cholesterol somewhat because PUFA are hepatic poisons, but limiting carbs, especially fructose and replacing PUFA with SFA and MFA will go a long way.
What I can’t figure out is why Sweden is seeing a resurgence in infections as measured by PCA. They should have herd immunity by now as per Sebastian, and they seem to be embracing HFLC, but I have no idea what kind of percentage of population. My personal experience with Sweden is that things tend to be way sweeter than elsewhere.
When I buy Vitamin D at Tesco’s I notice that they now have big stocks. It must have become a popular product, so maybe people will be more resistant this time round – I don’t know.
That doesn’t reduce the incredible scandal that this simple remedy is being deliberately downplayed.
these graphs do not mean anything because the test are not valid and mean nothing
I haven’t had a vaccine since getting a rubella vaccine during my first pregnancy 32 years ago. I’ve never had a flu vaccine and not had flu for 35 years – maybe I’ve been lucky. I was listening to a plea on the radio this morning to get children vaccinated against influenza. I know that, unlike COVID-19, flu can be serious in children, but how many children are seriously affected and, if they are, do they have compromised immune systems? I’m sure that influenza vaccines for children weren’t around when my daughters (32 and 29) were little. What worries me is this vaccine creep. It is no longer serious diseases like polio etc. that one wouldn’t wish on anyone that are vaccinated against but diseases like chicken pox (rarely serious) that are now included. The list of vaccines seems to increase every year – when are we going to stop? Has the human immune system gone out of fashion?
SARS-CoV-2 is a respiratory virus, so shouldn’t the vaccine be delivered respiratorily (if that is a word) rather than by intramuscular injection?
Why two injections? I believe they are hoping for a 50% success rate. Is that after one or both injections?
which of the 147,000 sars-cov-2 viruses (see gisaid.org) are you talking about?
Hopefully, any one of them. Assuming it’s like the measles virus which has six distinct strains, but immunity from one gives you immunity from all.
the measles virus does nog exist, official decision by the high court in germany. the coronavirus also does nog exist by the way
If there are cases of measles, what causes them?
i don’t know what would cause it, probably all different sorts of reasons.
The fact is (?) that seasonal flu vaccines represent an important, regular and reliable, and probably lucrative, income stream for Big Pharma. As there is absolutely no comeback on the manufacturers if the vaccine does or doesn’t work or cause damage then it becomes apparent why people are pushed towards compliance – and so similarly with CV-19.
Maybe, if there was some comeback and some responsibility regarding outcomes and maybe if income and profits from these vaccines were capped then maybe the story would be different ?
Presumably, Big Pharma has pushed for such legal privileges because it cannot get product indemnity insurance in the usual way. The insurance companies have done their sums and have decided they will not make a profit. Why should taxpayers pick up the bill if harms are caused by improperly tested vaccines? There may be a case for freeing them from absolute product liability if they make the effort to evaluate foreseeable risks, but there is no case for giving them immunity from negligence claims or charges of criminal deception.
Reblogged this on Citizens.
Instead of a zealous hunt for a vaccine I would like to see zealous hunt for the level of herd immunity. Covid is not measles which requires 95 per cent herd immunity. The highest estimate for Covid is suggested at 75 per cent but I have seen estimates as low as 20 per cent. Surely this is important in the face of the pressure to vaccinate everybody?
I would like somebody to prove that it actually exists.
I have no B-cell function whatsoever in response to protein (viruses) or polysaccharide (most bacteria) antigens. This is a severe form of polygenic mutation in B cells known as CVID.
I wrote the following to a couple of friends familiar with my case:
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Triggered to think a bit more about germinal centers by the CoVID-19 autopsy observations, a hypothesis for my own case arises. I have tended not to think about things like germinal centers wrt to myself, since their immunological activity amd function is obviously a dead end in my case.
But I have observed a correlation over the years of likelihood of flu infection (with many weeks of symptoms) and innoculation. I have never failed to get ill with flu during a season for which I got a flu shot.All of the seasons for which I avoided getting even one illness came with absence of innoculation.
This seems to be also not uncommon amongst nominally immunocompetent individuals, although certainly the flu shot is beneficial for a majority including those with CVID.
For myself and likely some others without diagnosed PIDs or SIDs, the mere waste of T-cell resources in a failed or compromised germinal-center process or sequence launched by an innoculation may be the factor that makes a challenge by the real virus more potent — i.e. our immune response less potent.
The last innoculation I got was by a technician from India. She said to me that it is very common for people to get real flu illnesses that appear about 6 weeks after getting a shot. This sounds familiar to me — I think I have heard it before, but maybe decades ago. Literature on this observed phenomenon has probably been largely purged.
The minority of individuals who may be harmed, rather than helped, by flu shots wrt to natural flu nfection may be responsible for the ~ 6-week observation. This may have to do with a compromised germinal-center process, which would deplete or eliminate (as for me) benefit, while significamtly burdening the cell-mediated response lymphocytes and therefore diminishing or depleting the critical and central T cells available to respond to the active viral infection.
In fact, in my case for instance, I wonder if there might not be an unusually large burden on T cells from the germinal centers. Maybe this burden peaks ~ 6 wk after innoculation. Since the cascade will never complete successfully with high-affinity B-cell receptors generated, does it continue and grow for many weeks nevertheless? I wonder if this has been studied immunologically in either animal models or even (though much less likely) humans.
I guess I should dive into a search of the immunology research literature to try to find out. But again, I strongly suspect that this type of research would be shunned and banned by the paymasters in bureaucracy.
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Those unfamiliar with adaptive immunology should be aware that CVID (or any humoral immunodeficiency, primary or secondary) puts a tremendous continuous overstress on the T lymphocytes. Ig infusions markedly reduce this stress, although my immunologist insists that I will never be normal wrt lymphopenia. IMO the predominant benefit of small infused quantities of others’ antibodies is in reducing lymphopenia, preserving a greater though still deficient T-cell population to respond to the natural virus infection by making the continuous subclinical responses to constant infections more efficient. In the event of a symptomatic infection the infusions play no direct role — pathogen-specific a/b’s would be depleted totally almost immediately, leaving the patient with only his own intrinsic B-cell response.
The above was written in that context, using my own case primarily as reference.
I don’t know. But I remember a barber, Italian, who would say “every year, I getta da flu shot. Every year, it maker me sick, an’ I hafta take a week off work. I self employed, I cannot afford to doit, but I getta verra sick from da flu shot. And every year, I getta da flu. And I hafta take a week off work becozza da flu. Every year. And I self employed, I no able afford to take time off becozza da flu.”
Every year he tella me dat, I mean, he told me that. Every year. And I never got the flu despite his coughing, sneezing and spluttering all over me. He wouldn’t have coped well with the current regulations!
Edothelial glycocayx!!
Dr Kendrick can speak with some authority on this little known aspect of the lining of all our blood vessels.
These people are putting it as a prime player in ARDS:
https://jintensivecare.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40560-020-00488-7
Doc??
As far as I can tell, every comorbidity is associated with a defective glycocalyx, including old age.
Dr Kendrick you say:
I am acutely aware of the fact that even the mildest caution about vaccines leads to you being instantly labelled as an anti-vaxxer, and thus dismissed as some kind of anti-science lunatic.
You are certainly sticking your head above the parapet… This is a very brave thing to do in the current environment and I salute you, and other doctors who are similarly challenging the status quo. Your series of posts on the current coronavirus situation have been invaluable, including giving others the opportunity to freely participate in discussion in a time when censorship is a constant threat, as we are seeing with items being taken down from YouTube, Facebook etc.
For many years now there has been a concerted effort to characterise people questioning vaccination policy as ‘anti-vaxxers’, and to stifle and marginalise them. We have to identify and expose who has been behind this orchestrated smear campaign to shut down valid questioning of vaccination policy and practice.
As you note:
However, I think we have an immensely important issue rising to the surface today, with many countries lining up to make any vaccine for COVID19 as close to mandatory as can be achieved, without using force.
As I’ve raised a few times on your blog, in Australia there is legislation, the Biosecurity Act 2015, which has the potential to make coronavirus vaccination mandatory, with refusers at risk of five years imprisonment and/or a $66,600 fine. I suggest most Australians would be unaware of this legislation. I’m interested to know how this draconian legislation got through the parliament, and who was behind it.
Interesting to see how that stands up against our rights under The Australian Charter of Healthcare Rights:
Click to access Charter%20of%20Healthcare%20Rights%20A4%20poster%20ACCESSIBLE%20pdf.pdf
(I bet you didn’t know it existed!)
Surely (?), it is one of the functions of government(s) to inform people on their decisions and the thinking behind them.
Some people have a genuine worry about the risks associated with vaccines, and if a government feels it’s important for people to vaccinate then ‘the responsibility is on them’ to explain the rationale and the pros and cons and then let people exercise their right of freedom of choice to comply or not.
In the current climate, just parroting and following advice because it comes from government is not rational, safe or intelligent. We are blessed with brains, we need to use them and we need to be treated and act like grown ups.
The problem is that (here in the UK) we are fed mixed messages, that change all the time and policy is made by politicians and other non-experts with an agenda to support their political party first and the population, maybe, second. The MSM is heavily used to support the political agenda and to stigmitise anyone not supporting the agenda. Even the ‘so called’ experts are rarely independent and have their own agendas and sponsors and are effectively corralled by government advisors into supporting the one and only true path – until it changes.
The current chaos is totally a result of the government’s failure and totally their responsibility. Resistance is not futile …
maybe they could add the following to their list:
-> nobody has ever isolated any of the putitive pathogenic viruses until tge present.
-> there had never been a placebo controlled study of any vaccine produced until now
-> We have, in the past, knowingly used the vaccine stock we have produced on children, even when the studies clearly showed that these vaccines had serious side effects.
Reiner Fuellmich, the German lawyer organising a class action against the promoters of the PCR tests, has a new video on YouTube. Entitled “Money Talks Update 1 English ” it is a slightly expanded version of the German version. It seems the WHO may be back-tracking at last.
Lets hope this lawsuit will financially distroy the WHO
On the face of it, it seems logical that introducing a tiny part of a disease to stimulate an immune response so that the body is ready to deal with a large attack would be a good thing. The body is well able, in the normal course of events, to deal with rogue organisms and starts the immune response through Langerhans cells as soon as your skin touches a bacteria, virus, or chemical.
Unfortunately there were problems with people getting the disease (polio was a particular problem) from the live vaccines, and killed vaccines weren’t so effective. Since then ‘science’ has been tweaking compounds right left and centre to elicit an ‘immune response’, which in no way is a guarantee of immunity. Maybe injecting it directly into your blood rather than the body preparing immune responses through the skin and mucous membranes in the nose, throat and lungs is part of the problem.
One of the big step forwards in stimulating a vaccine immune response were adjuvants. Mercury via thimerosal was an early one, as was aluminium (hydroxide, phosphate). For some reason it was decided a few decades ago that as mercury is known to be toxic, it should be discontinued. Even though aluminium, also a known neurotoxin, continued and is used in many, many vaccines. Including HPV.
Most of my research into vaccines was done in the 90’s. Now that the grandkids are dropping off the production line, I’ve picked up the cudgel again, and I wondered, especially in the light of Dr K alerting us to the placebo scam for HPV where the adjuvant was the placebo, is the problem the adjuvant rather than the organic component of the vaccine? Matthew Mold, of Keele Uni, has done several self funded studies on aluminium in brains, and the results are very interesting.
Initially they got hold of five brains from deceased autistic people. Well, I assume they were deceased, the article isn’t specific. But the abstract titillates with:
“The mean (standard deviation) aluminium content across all 5 individuals for each lobe were 3.82(5.42), 2.30(2.00), 2.79(4.05) and 3.82(5.17) μg/g dry wt. for the occipital, frontal, temporal and parietal lobes respectively. These are some of the highest values for aluminium in human brain tissue yet recorded and one has to question why, for example, the aluminium content of the occipital lobeof a 15 year old boy would be 8.74 (11.59) μg/g dry wt.?”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763
Not that 5 autistic brains is much of a sample, but anyway they were persistent so they went away and acquired a few more lumps of gray (or white) matter. Every single donor, who all had neuro-degenerative diseases, had high levels of aluminium in one or more parts of the sample.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00775-019-01710-0
And as they mentioned in the last link, they need healthy brains as a comparison and had located 21 such samples. In May this year they published:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-64734-6
Of the 20 brains (they seem to have lost one. Igor?) they made 191 tissue samples of which only 6 gave readings above 3. Only 2 of the 20 were under 66 years old. Statistically, the results were highly significant. No aluminium, no neurotoxicology. Aluminium = neurotoxicology = brain disease.
The aluminium compounds used as adjuvants with vaccines are very small, easily passing through the blood brain barrier. Nobody knows why adjuvants work to improve the effectiveness of vaccines. Thimoseral, a mercury adjuvant, used to be common, but it’s been almost entirely replaced by aluminium compounds over the last thirty years. In the meantime cases of autism increase.
Aluminium has been used as an adjuvant for over 80 years. It’s surprising that nobody has thought of this research before. Unless it’s not been done on a want-to-know basis. “We don’t want to know – and we don’t want you to know either”.
It’s really bizarre from a biological perspective. The principal component of the vaccine doesn’t work very well, if at all, until its efficacy is boosted by elements which have absolutely no use in any living organism. The vaccines only work if you add a neurotoxin ……. weird.
Chris Exley is the principal researcher behind the aluminium research at Keele. He and his team found that once their research took them into the domain of aluminium adjuvants in vaccines their funding started to dry up and they became to target of attempts to discredit them and their research. Prof Exley writes occasional blog posts at http://www.hippocraticpost.com which summarise his team’s research.
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In practical terms he recommends the use of silicon-rich mineral water (Volvic, Fiji, Acilis) to prevent aluminium toxicity and he writes about that on Hippocratic Post too.
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Like Dr Kendrick, Professor Exley and his team are very courageous people.
How about – Honest ?
That too !
Do add Gerolsteiner to the list of Silicon-rich mineral waters. Our local supermarket sometimes stocks it. The bottlers claim it contains 40.1 mg/l of meta silicic acid which which is one of the highest available. It is also from a naturally carbonated spring which is supposed to make it more refreshing. I like it anyway, though the cost makes it a special treat.
Regarding Gerolsteiner mineral water, I’ve been trying to find information online about Silicic acid or Silica content, but I can’t find anything from the company itself. On the label there is no mention of Silica – https://www.gerolsteiner.de/en/mineral-water/gerolsteiner-sparkling/
or here – https://www.gerolsteiner.de/fileadmin/Contentbilder/UnsereProdukte/Mineralwasser/Dokumente/gerolsteiner-sparkling-mineral-water-analysis.pdf
I did find a mention of it on an website called “Aquamaestro” but that was all. I’ve messaged Gerolsteiner to find out from them as it doesn’t appear on any of their website pages.
Hi again Shirley3349 – I’ve already had a reply from Gerolsteiner regarding the Silica content and it’s even better than you have suggested. They obviously aren’t very busy, as they replied almost immediately to my online query!! Here it is (they don’t seem to know about Exley’s research, lol, or they’d be priding themselves on the amount of Silicic acid in the water!):
“The special geological features of the Volcanic Eifel region give Gerolsteiner
its refreshing, harmonious taste and make it naturally rich in essential
minerals: One liter of Gerolsteiner Sparkling Natural Mineral Water provides
more than one quarter of the daily magnesium requirement with 108 mg of this
valuable mineral. Gerolsteiner Sparkling Natural Mineral Water even meets one
third of the daily calcium requirement with 348 mg per liter. In total, every
liter of Gerolsteiner Sparkling Natural Mineral Water contains more than 2.479
mg of minerals and trace elements.
“Silicic acid is a chemical compound containing silicium as the primary
component. Silicic acid is contained in many foods, such as grain, fruit and
vegetables.
“Gerolsteiner Sparkling Natural Mineral Water contains 58,4 mg/l silicic acid.
“In case you need any further information from our side, please do not hesitate
to contact us.
“Best regards from Germany
“Gerolsteiner Brunnen GmbH & Co. KG
“i. A. Julia Hennerici”
Hi anglosvizzera
I got my figure of 40.1 mg/l from the current Gerolsteiner English language web-site. They do not, as you mention, highlight the silicon content, but banish this fact to one of their secondary web-pages. Presumably, they have not heard of its ability to clear aluminium, a probable toxin, from the body.
The whole Eifel region is famous for its mineral water. Apollinaris is the most famous brand but there are many others. When we visited there in Summer 2009 I came across Dauner Urquelle which is my favourite to date, but I can’t find it in Yorkshire.
The industry, and the various scams connected with it, form the background of the detective novel, Eifel-Wasser by Jacques Berndorf, Grafit 2001. Despite my best efforts, Berndorf’s series of Eifel novels is not available in English translation, and reading them now, only serves to show how much the world has changed since they were written. But readers of German will either loathe them or find them highly addictive.
The AstraZeneca and Johnson &Johnson vaccine trials have had to be paused because of serious side effects in some of the participants,
transverse myelitis and possibly multiple sclerosis (not confirmed).
Now I am going to take a leap in the dark.
We know that patients who have become very unwell and died have been elderly with various complications as a result of their immune system going into overdrive.
What if the vaccine also overstimulates the immune system resulting in the observed side effects above? Also have there not been people reporting episodes of fever, a sign of inflammation?
My question is could the syndromes being reported as long Covid actually be autoimmune and not the virus itself?
Could the supposed multiple reinfections be autoimmune?
We will never know until they start giving them the vaccine, as it’s only being tested on healthy individuals.
Whether the immune system can cause post infection syndromes is mentioned in this presentation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oI0jVN4TTI&t=3685s at around 58 minutes, where the presenter mentions a poorly treated Strep throat (bacterial tonsillitis) in some people leads to kidney problems 2-6 weeks later not from the tonsillitis but from the immune system itself.
A friend had a strep throat and then had dendritis – no working kidneys now.
Yes this is a line of enquiry that hasn’t been altogether ruled out. Any vaccination or accumulated burden resulting from vaccinations MAY contribute to a compromised immune function overall, and there are various possibilities that could be tested for an ruled out – if there was the will to do so. The thing about any intervention of prophylactic is the weighing of likely risks against expected benefits. hence the need for open and clear science rather than protected narrative assertions – regardless whether opening vaccination to question risks a drop in uptake. IF the benefits are real, they should be demonstrable and not forced dogma.
I have read of flu vax increasing other respiratory vectors. I have read of a flu strain being more virulent the year after being injected. Further afield I have read of stray antibodies from canine coronavirus cross reacting with our own when suffering such an ‘infection’ naturally.
If those in the decision making levels of these things want more trust, they have to extend trust also. But all politics is resorting to social conditioning, nudging and incentives that now extend to shaming non compliance in proscribed medical edicts.
“Challenging conventional wisdom”
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/act-now-wait-perfect-evidence-later-says-high-priestess-uk-covid-19-masking-campaign
Although it’s good to see contrarian viewpoints in any blog this lady seems to push for policy driven by something more than a hunch and probably more than a whim. Trials confirming if something is effective or actually works she deems unnecessary if a decision is made that it good. Who makes the decision? Is that decision based on proper examination? Given the commercial pressures to push for market penetration, surely that would mean an exposure to marketing gurus who will surely seek to exploit any weakness in the vetting process.
She has come in for criticism in the past.
2010 “Health Secretary John Reid asked the GMC to investigate-
I express concern that conflicts that go up to the highest ranks of
government are still conflicts, that the government itself is not a
disinterested player, and has not behaved like one. At the same time Prof
Greenhalgh’s research has benefitted hansomely from its largesse. I
believe there should be an inquiry”
Courtesy of John Stone
And yet she’s an anti-statiner by all accounts in this piece!
I thought it just suggested that she thought the patient’s opinion should be heard, not that she was against stains for everyone. However, I don’t see how you can tell by observation whether masks are effective or not as you have no way of knowing how many people who didn’t catch something would not have caught it anyway. The California stats someone posted earlier suggested that most people who caught cv19 wore masks most of the time (which is what you’d expect as we are all ordered to wear masks). So how can this person say the opposite? And aren’t “cases” rising since we started wearing masks? I can only assume she thinks that the Imperial College model was correct and that all the deaths that didn’t happen as the result of mask wearing. Surely not? I’m confused
As for the general benefit of the inflicted guidance, Scott Atlas said in a recent interview;
”And then, in direct response to a question about Dr. Fauci:
“History will record the faces of the public health expertise as some of the most sinful, egregious, epic failures in the history of public policy. They have killed people with their lack of understanding and their lack of caring about not just the impact of cases of COVID-19, a virus that the overwhelming majority of people do well in. They never cared to considered the impact of the policy itself, and the policy itself has been a complete epic failure, and honestly some people say a crime against humanity — these people should be held accountable for what they did.””
Fantastic quote. Could you reference it? I have seen a long interview with him on The Hoover Institute YouTube channel, where he says that the evidence for social distancing is embarrassingly weak
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trumps-covid-advisor-lockdown-architects-should-be-held-accountable
Here is one reference. There are others, and of course I can’t find the one I copied the text from. There are minor differences in style, but the substance is the same.
She seems to be supporting the current conventional what passes for “wisdom”. She is merely supporting the official narrative, the consensus.
Yes, the principle is very selectively applied. Masks and universal lockdowns can be waved through without RCTs but vitamin D therapy apparently requires very high standards of proof. NICE still claims that vitamin D does not help at all and the recent Castillo et al paper did not change their opinion: https://www.nice.org.uk/advice/es28/chapter/Key-messages
Dr Fauci seems convinced that vitamins C and D are beneficial.
“…said Dr. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. “I would not mind recommending, and I do it myself, taking vitamin D supplements.” But that’s not all: Dr. Fauci also recommended another vitamin. “The other vitamin that people take is vitamin C because it’s a good antioxidant, so if people want to take a gram or so of vitamin C, that would be fine,” he said.”
https://www.health.com/nutrition/vitamins-supplements/dr-fauci-vitamin-c-and-d
For those that don’t visit Dr David Grimes’ website (DG = author of ‘Vitamin D & Cholesterol’), he has 3 blogs entries so far during October on Vitamin D & I’d recommend a read:
http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/
Interesting (to me) I get emails about posts to the other blogs, but not to this one. Is this a WordPress problem? On my last two posts here I have ticked the boxes on both of them, but I get the impression WordPress knows I have subscribed, as I don’t get a “confirm follow” email.
Ditto
I went to the WordPress subscriptions page and found this blog was “pending”. This has happened to me with another blog, so may be worth checking.
AHN – stopped getting notifications bout 3 months ago. They hav been on & off for past few years. Now its “find in page” , today for example, its f.i.p. “er 19” for October 19, to filter just todays items.
Can I emphasize my gratitude to be able to access this blog. It’s one of so few trustworthy & informative sources. Why say that now? Good question ! Dunno really.
I rarely get a post through to this site signing via my wordpress account, and use an old twitter handle – which has to be logged out and re-logged in for each post.
But then I get no option to check any boxes.
Found this https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/what-sage-has-got-wrong/ over at The Blogmire, makes complete sense to me, but then what do I know.
Interesting article. For me, the takeaway quote is:
“Sage … I looked up the credentials of all the members. There were NO clinical immunologists. NO ONE who had a biology degree and a post-doctoral qualification in immunology. A few medics, sure. Several people from the humanities including sociologists, economists, psychologists and political theorists. What there were in profusion – seven in total – were mathematicians.” And, let’s not forget Government advisors – needed to steer the outputs !
These are the Government’s ‘experts’ responsible for locking us up and destroying the economy.
In other news:
“Pfizer in pole position in the race to launch a Covid vaccine The US giant hopes to make 100 million doses available this year, of which 40 million are destined for the UK – a figure that will be dwarfed by the 1.3 billion jabs the company aims to manufacture in 2021. Every patient who receives the vaccine will need two doses.” [Ref. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8852159/The-video-world-longed-Covid-vaccines-rolling-production-line.html%5D
Health budgets around the world are going to be stripped bare to feed this Big Pharma scam. Would any sane person allow this shite to be injected into their body ?
And, as widely predicted, Police get access to NHS Test and Trace self-isolation data: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54586897
US: Oh look, there’s a bad case of the Flu blowing up in China. Let’s call it “The Chinese Virus” and get the WHO to show that those commie bastards are poisoning the planet. Call Big Pharma to tell them that Xmas has come early and check our stock options.
UK: Let’s use this Pandemic fiasco thing to distract the public from the upcoming Brexit disaster. Keep it going until next year and lockdown any places that deviate from the one, true message. If Brexit doesn’t work out we can blame Covid, the Chinese, French, Russians, Northerners, …
I campaigned (and obviously also voted) for Brexit.
A democracy that has to take orders from an organisation that isn’t even remotely democratic, is basically a sham.
Brexit will not be a disaster, because they sell far more things to us than we sell to them.
David Bailey, wrong and wrong.
A strong element of democracy with elected members from the UK regions.
Not a disaster? Your shallow analysis ignores the reality of tariffs and the fact that perhaps the UK WANTS to buy from the EU countries? And much else. I lived through the 2nd WW and don’t want to see that allowed to happen again.
But let’s get back to discussing health matters!
Indeed
I do agree that we need to return to health matters, but I feel I must point out that I supported the EU for many years despite everything precisely because it seemed to be a force for peace. I am a post-war child, but I heard plenty about it from my parents. I changed my mind when the EU helped to destabilise the Ukraine – potentially triggering a nuclear war.
In a way nuclear war is a health issue – the biggest conceivable health issue.
Malcolm, I won’t mind if you decide not to publish this comment so as to keep on track.
May I ask whether anyone has an explanation for why this particular virus is considered highly infectious for several days before symptoms occur? I understood that cells had to be infected and killed before the virus that has replicated could be released and isn’t that why we get symptoms?
Surely an asymptomatic person can’t be like Schrödinger’s Cat and infectious and non-infectious at the same time.
Or does this occur with any infection?
I quite agree with your argument, Steve. From the point of view of hypothetical persons wishing to create and sustain a state of panic, however, such ambiguity is ideal.
I may say, “I feel perfectly well, although the virus has supposedly been raging for 9 or 10 months. Isolation, social distancing, and masks notwithstanding, obviously I must have caught this “highly infectious” pathogen by now. However, it seems to have done me no harm”.
To which the authorities reply: “Ah, but you may be an asymptomatic carrier! Although quite healthy yourself, as soon as you come near some frail little old person you will infect them, and they will then die horribly. And that will be your fault!”
If anyone can think of a logical refutation of that argument, I would be glad to hear it. If accepted, it would justify continuing the present restrictions for ever.
Apart, of course, from the simple common sense reaction that the whole scenario is absurd because that is not how viruses work.
I’d say show me a study where an asymptomatic person has definitely transmitted a lethal strain of SARS-COV-2 (or another flu-type virus) to another person.
But that’s the beauty of “political science”! There is no need to pay any attention evidence unless it supports your point of view.
Here you go – The WHO says extensive contact tracing shows that asymptomatic transmission is very rare (3 min.):
Asymptomatic infection a.k.a. I already have plenty of suitable T-cells acquired from infection with one of the 4 other commonly circulating betacoronaviruses so the virus never replicated sufficiently for me to become infectious before it was neutralised.
The same “asymptomatic carrier” argument is used every year in the NHS to try to persuade staff to accept a flu shot. If you don’t agree, you may be killing patients (even if your job is such that you don’t interact with patients). There is a competition going on to see which Trusts can vaccinate most staff. Don’t know what the prize is if you are one of the winners, but it must be considerable to justify the relentless propaganda campaign.
Some interesting info on this webpage dated February 2018:
Not to be sniffed at: flu vaccination for NHS staff | The King’s Fund
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2018/02/flu-vaccination-nhs-staff
This will be an interesting marketing campaign. https://insightplus.mja.com.au/2020/40/how-to-promote-uptake-of-any-covid-19-vaccine/?fbclid=IwAR1an1kBx1dy7xalYAlnaNKuApGuxP8OpHllSKctPjAS2ismwl32HzY9RpQ
Why would anyone agree to take a genuinely novel vaccine without knowing that it has properly completed all Stages of testing and been demonstrated to be both effective and without side effects, for a disease that is known to only kill those with very compromised immune systems?
Why have we manage to create an education curriculum that teaches neither nutrition nor disease avoidance?
How to promote the uptake of a vaccine – simples:
Prove beyond reasonable doubt the vaccine works;
Prove beyond reasonable doubt that taking the vaccine results in an acceptable risk level;
Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the vaccine will achieve adequate protection for all members of the population;
Prove beyond reasonable doubt that all medical groups are in agreement with the vaccine programme.
Steve, it will soon be easier in the UK once the bill permitting unspecified criminal acts by the various “authorities” is passed. They will then be able to pin you down and stab with a needle, and you will have no legal redress. Th bill is as What’s-‘is-name Brokenshire said in the House, it’s to keep people safe.
Impossibly tall order there Steve.
I suspect they will just keep up the pressure of restricted movement and the unwarranted fear-mongering until they can give themselves permission (without incurring rioting) to authorise the vaccines they have already stumped up our money for and then allow the scared and cowed to queue around the block to be GMOed.
Until that happens it is down to us few to keep trying to put before our fellow inhabitants of these Sceptred Isles the fact that Hitler’s Nazi doctors were similarly engaged in medical experiments on the unwilling and that the Nuremberg Code was written in the hope that it wouldn’t happen again. That was a long shot too as many in the medical profession were secretly quite glad that the experiments had advanced medical science so much, and that the ends thus justified the means.
Steve, maybe some day even one of those will be accomplished.
But not until those who peddle vaccines want it to be.
Of course Australia will not “force” its free citizens to be vaccinated… We will be free to surrender out passports, remove ourselves from our – paid for in taxes – Universal Health System and/ or our Self Funded Age pensions. Our self proclaimed Christian Prime Minister has made it clear he will do whatever it takes to achieve ‘universal vaccination’. Australia’s parliament still begins with a recitation of the Lord’s Prayer, so please show me where it tells us that injecting a potentially poisonous substance is doing God’s will on Earth ?
Or in heaven .
As the mugger said: “He only had himself to blame. If he had handed over his wallet when I asked him to, I wouldn’t have been forced to kill him”.
Janet Love, off topic but always good for a laugh.
if you believe in sky faeries then you will also believe that everything that happens is ‘god’s’ will. Them dead babies in Yemen, CIA torturers, ISIS, Donald Trump, Covid all God’s will, hallelujah ! And don’t try confusing people by pointing out that there are over 4,200 religions some with multiple deities … and the biggest christian population is in China, god damn it, them commies stole our god. Religious people, certified nutters every one of them.
Do you think that India and Russia now successfully pushing Sputnik V, will have the big Pharma boardrooms in panic. Noises starting to come on the media,Wellcome trust etc, suggesting vaccine year end.wont matter if they don’t work, it will save Matt and Boris.
The irony is that there is no guarantee with these vaccines as there is no come-back if they damage the jabbed, so whether they work or not, whether you are ‘saved’ or ‘injured’ will make absolutely no difference.
When the jabs get going, then just like George W. Bush on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln in 2003, they will declare the war over. Nothing will have changed, except a bunch of ‘Organised Criminals’ ( pace Peter Gøtzsche ) will have got very much richer, people will carry on getting Covid but since it will be unnecessary to test any more it will just be ‘cause of death respiratory disease’ no mention of Covid required.
Found this interesting
Dear Dr. Kendrick (and chat),
It is a good approach to discuss vaccination in public, keeping an open (and in big phrama world: sceptical) mind is essential.
Just two questions where any help would be welcome:
(1) Non-specific benefits of vaccination:
Published evidence seems to consistently suggest that there are benefits of (non-inactivated) vaccination indeprendent (!) from the specific pathogen protection.
See, e.g.:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2018.00083/full
https://advances.sciencemag.org/lens/advances/5/2/eaau6849
Where do I find evidence of unspecific disadvantages of vaccination? Sources would be appreciated.
(2) Comparing Covid-19 and seasonal flu:
It has been clear from the beginning that Covid-19 is in a totally different ballpark compared to, for instance, the 1918 flu pandemic. However, to say it is just like the seasonal flu seems inadequate as well for at least two reasons: (a) The seasonality seems to be much weaker in SARS-CoV-2-transmission [thus impying more relevance of lock-down measures] and (b) deaths on a global level seem to be higher as early as now (high estimates for seasonal flu max. 750.000 deaths globally). Sure, dying because of Covid-19 is something else compared to dying while being positive for SARS-CoV-2, but this applies for influenza as well. What sources could be used to put these numbers in a comparable (!) perspective so that it is not comparing apples and, say, tofu sausages?
Thank you for any suggestions.
I don’t think we can say that sars-cov-2 is less seasonal than “normal” flu as we don’t test not symptomatic people for flu every year, so we have no idea how many people would test positive for various strains of flu using a PCR test in any given year in any given season. The death rate seems much the same as seasonal flu with higher rates in winter than in Summer
Hi KJE,
Thank you for trying to address some of my topics.
(1)
It seems that you try to make the point that influenza might not be seasonal and, thus, SARS-Cov-2 and influenza are similar in terms of seasonality. That is an interesting point, you do not talk about SARS-CoV-2 seasonality, you argue that influenza might not be that seasonal (and thus similar to SARS-CoV-2?).
“as we don’t test not symptomatic people for flu every year” So this would not explain the seasonality of deaths in influenza, as we do not test non-symptomatic across seasons. “so we have no idea how many people would test positive for various strains of flu using a PCR test in any given year in any given season” But how can this explain differences in influenza deaths (!) between (!) seasons? Your approach of questioning the seasonality of influenza might be interesting, do you have any source for this? “The death rate seems much the same as seasonal flu with higher rates in winter than in Summer” So it is seasonal?
(2)
“The death rate seems much the same as seasonal flu with higher rates in winter than in Summer” What would be your source for “much the same” my global influenza deaths point to a maximum of less than 750.000 which we have passed for Covid-19 already now.
Thank you for your efforts.
MS
Ms, you may have been genuine in your reply to KJE, but I have rarely seen so many inferences drawn from what was a straightforward case from KJE, and with so little justification.
Hello AhNotepad,
Yes, KJE was straightforward and might help me find answers, I appreciate KJE’s efforts. But sources/explanations for the straightforward claims (e.g., “The death rate seems much the same as seasonal flu”, higher testing only makes SARS-CoV-2 appear [!] less seasonal) are missing.
Consequently, I think I have to make inferences. I genuinely want to understand the justification of these straightforward claims.
Funny, you come up with “little justification[s]” because of me asking for sources… (-:
Good luck.
MS
MS,
“The seasonality seems to be much weaker in SARS-CoV-2-transmission [thus impying more relevance of lock-down measures] and (b) deaths on a global level seem to be higher as early as now (high estimates for seasonal flu max. 750.000 deaths globally). ”
The problem with point (a) is that the increase of people testing positive is almost certainly due to the vastly increase scale of testing. There is also a strong suspicion that PCR run at high cycle numbers is likely to result in false positives.
Regarding point (b), there have been endless stories of possible inflation of the death figures. Thus it took a major Tory rebellion to force PHE to change their method of recording CV19 deaths from recording every death of a patient who had ever had CV19 as a death from CV19, so something slightly more meaningful – but I don’t think that is the end of it. A woman told me apropos of nothing that her grandmother died in hospital last March, but not of CV19, yet that was what they put on her death certificate.
We will probably never know the true number of people killed by this virus, but when you think about the fact that Prince Charles caught the virus and was allowed to get over it at home, it does suggest that you have to be pretty old/ill to be deemed to be seriously at risk.
I don’t know the answer BUT, how can we possibly discuss the seasonality of CV19 given that it has, apparently, only been in existence for around 10 months ? Wouldn’t we need, at least, five years, for example, worth of data before we could make any sensible, intelligent thesis on seasonality ?
Hi Steve,
Thank you for trying to contribute.
It can and is discussed now. There are proxies, e.g., analyses of how the virus spread globally this year across regions of different seasons etc. This can be compared to other epidemics we know more about. Just like simple people like you and me extrapolate from existing experiences to new events, scientists do this based on previous evidence. Would you like to have a Christmas Pudding stuffed with with bacon, marshmallows, and melted gorgonzola? You can easily form an evaluation even though you did not taste this combination before.
Currently, the mainstraem understanding is that it is not seasonal now but might become seasonal in a few years:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.567184/full
Glad I could help.
MS
MS, thanks for the response – I still hold that, at this point in time, the data set is too limited but as you suggest our understanding in a couple of years will/should be better. I’ll take a rain check on the invitation to Xmas pudding, although the proof of the pudding is in the eating…
I thought that it was now generally accepted that ‘seasonality’ of diseases that are ‘seasonal’ was not due to the virus being seasonal but the seasonal variation in the strength of the immune system to resist it.
I suspect that you are right in that testing is revealing widespread infection with SARS-CoV-2 but the incidence of cases of Covid-19 is already following the seasonal influence after a temporary dip in Summer increasing again into Winter.
If it follows the pattern of influenza it will gradually diminish in its ability to cause cases and mortalities as herd immunity takes control, until a genetic change results in an inability in most of those infected to neutralise the virus. This is a regular feature of influenza as A type juggles sections of its genome (4 apparently) recreating sufficiently similar variants of A to those that existed years ago that elderly member of infected communities are still immune. In between the emergence of these more virulent variants the dominant circulating strain is far less virulent than the year or two in which it first appeared. (Please see ‘The transmission of Epidemic Influenza’ by R.Edgar Hope-Simpson).
Whether any of the 4 betacoronaviruses currently circulating largely ineffectually will at some point mutate sufficiently to become more pathogenic is anyone’s guess, but they are seasonal too, in step with vitamin D3 levels in normally healthy people.
Hi Steve,
It is not generally accepted but it is one valid assumption indeed.
I have already replied to Steve above with a reference predicting a similar future for SARS-CoV-2 as you outline (reply currently under review). in this summer, however, there were still too many cases and the autumn start is too early to be influenza-style seasonality.
Thank you
MS, too many cases? What do you class as a “case”? The politicians mislead people by confusing positive test results as cases. According to Dr Mike Yeadon (I hope I have the correct speaker here) it seems there are increasing deaths now from flu, and yet we have increasing restrictions to control “the virus” https://www.buzzsprout.com/1013854/5745529-episode-21-dr-mike-yeadon. This is of course ridiculous, why should controls apply to one virus, yet allow a somewhat similar virus (flu) to carry on in its normal seasonal progression?
That’s basically what I meant: that if we tested a huge number of people for all strains of flu all year round we might well find that flu isn’t “seasonal” but severe cases and deaths are (because of the weather and low immunity – vit D perhaps?) – just like SARS-COV-2 seems to be. Some people do get severe flu in Summer, but way fewer than in Winter. The difference in air humidity is also supposed to play a part in transmission in temperate regions.
Steve,
Ivor Cummins has been knocking them out of the park with his COVID video’s. He also has a great twitter feed. This one (37 min.) will answer all you questions with solid science:
Thank you, Dr. John H
Hi David,
Thank you for trying to address some of my topics.
“the increase of people testing positive is almost certainly due to the vastly increase scale of testing”. This is definitely true. But how is this related to my topic of seasonality seeming to be smaller for Covid-19 vs. influenza? My point is not the (reasons for the) increase in cases but the lower seasonal variation with the number of global daily new cases going up consistently without much fluctuation through summer.
“there have been endless stories of possible inflation of the death figures” Yes, but there is also lots of evidence for deflation of deaths, for instance:
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1711330883965
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768086
So this goes both ways, especially for the very early deaths when testing was not available. Do you have any source indicating that inflation is larger than the deflation? I agree with you that inflation is happening also for Covid-19 (I heard your story about the grandmother for influenza years ago), but do we have any evidence that there is net (!) inflation?
I do not use the treatment of three-figure millionaires as an indicator of how to globally evaluate an illness, since only a minimal fraction of us can be treated like these elites.
MS
MS,
Perhaps I should ‘try’ a little harder then!
You said:
“there have been endless stories of possible inflation of the death figures” Yes, but there is also lots of evidence for deflation of deaths, for instance
There is only one conclusion from that observation – which is that the evidence regarding numbers of deaths has been utterly trashed and nothing can be deduced from them! You simply cannot conclude that the two factors cancel out!
A better way to look at this is to ask WHY all the evidence has been corrupted. For example, we are now supposed to consider those who test positive for CV19 to be ‘cases’, but that utterly blurs the evidence when 6 months ago we only used to call people with symptoms to be ‘cases’
If indeed the evidence for numbers of deaths and related measures such as case fatality rate is completely unreliable, we should end all lockdowns immediately and start shielding those who are vulnerable and *wish* to be protected..
Three figure millionaires still have the same physiology as the rest of us (I assume) and if you wish to argue that way, I think you should point to specific CV19 treatments that these people may have been given, and explain why these were too expensive for general use.
Have I tried hard enough?
Hi David,
You definitely tried harder, thank you, this is valuable to me.
Infected does not equal cases, certainly true. Infected are going up, cases and deaths also, but much less so. I agree with you.
I also agree that the numbers of infected, cases, and deaths have been defined differently over time and this blurs the reality. One of your consequences of this unreliability is to “end all lockdowns” immediately. And with this conclusion I do not follow because the documented excess mortality
https://voxeu.org/article/us-excess-mortality-rate-covid-19-substantially-worse-europe-s
worries me. I think that more people would die from no lockdown than from lockdown. I want to avoid USA excess mortality on a global level. This is my rationale including justification. We do not have to agree, I wanted to get some better understanding in your rationale which I now have.
This is not a central topic in our exchage so no reason to discuss it further but you are dead wrong in your view on the health and treatment advantages of the elites on a (a) nutritional, (b) epigenetic, (c) medical (and in a few years (d) genetic) level. The differences are (1) substantial, even within countries of high overall medical treatment and insurance quality, and (2) increasing.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/08/trump-covid-treatment-health-insurance
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2513561
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2733322
MS
MS, for mortality figures, from the government statistics, look at https://youtu.be/-zLTYwIg9YY. This is the broadcast from ukcolumn.org on 21/Oct/20.
It’s coming ijto Winter. Every year, the local hospitals are on TV saying that can’t cope with all the cases of flu and flu-like illnesses. The footage shows people on trolleys in corridors and nurses rushing around – every year. So how is the increase in “infections” this year at this time any different? It’s just another season of flu-like illnesses with a lot of testing that we don’t usually see. I bet if we stopped testing people, it would just look like a standard flu season.
MS,
AhNotepad supplied a link (below) to show exactly what happens when COVID restrictions are lifted – absolutely nothing, except everyone was a lot happier:
https://mailchi.mp/tomwoods/floridastatus?e=0874e089f1
I think you should remember that our host – Dr Kendrick – is a doctor, so he isn’t going to run a blog full of misleading information! The difference between Malcolm and other, shall we say, run of the mill doctors, is that he has clearly spent a great deal of his own time researching a range of medical topics. I found this blog seven years ago, when I had just discovered that my polio leg was not suddenly deteriorating, but was reacting to the statins I had been prescribed. His books persuaded me that I should not be asking for an alternative statin prescription, and indeed that I did not need to concern myself with my cholesterol levels in the slightest.
I believe his books because each one is copiously annotated with the medical literature showing how actual studies did not back up the claims of orthodox medicine.
His books also taught me that medical research has been thoroughly corrupted by Big Pharma and sometimes by its own arrogance.
I hope you are not a troll, so all I would say is read a bit more before you assume that the evidence presented here is wildly wrong. We are being bombarded by deliberately distorted data – such as the use of ‘cases’ to mean one thing in March and something quite different right now – most people here are trying to correct that.
Replying to MS…yikes, your overly persistent ‘concerns’ are certainly taking up an inordinate amount of time and space on this comment thread. With all due respect, one might reasonably wonder whether you are a concern troll.
“CONCERN TROLLING involves someone opposing an idea or viewpoint, yet acting like they’re an advocate for the cause. A concern troll offers undermining criticisms under the guise of concern. Their goal is to sabotage the cause being discussed, and to inspire doubt among group members. This occurs in groups rallied around a particular issue, especially in political parties, and the goal of concern trolling is to cause dissent within a community.” https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/concern-troll/
To be clear, I am not saying that you are actually a concern troll. However, you need to know that your tone and tactics may appear to fit the description.
JP Sand, well said. I thought along similar lines, but I was too irritated to spend time responding.
JP Sand,
I operate in line with mainstream science, but am sceptical about the current inconsistent handling of the pandemic. I read “Doctoring Data” long time ago and was inspired by it. I came here to find sound arguments and sources.
I appreciate your educational approach, I was not familiar with this specific term. You will see that I always provide sources for my thinking, trolls do not do this. Trolls go ad personam (“Yikes”) which, hopefully, I won’t do as well.
When lockdown is considered (and as we know the WHO recently suggested lockdowns are not advised),
what cost benefit analysis is carried out to confirm that it’s not counter productive, that the benefits are minimal compared with the negative outcomes ?
Such negative outcomes as,
Missed appointments,
Cancelled appointments,
(26,000 increase in cardiac related deaths from March to September)
Unemployment,
Domestic abuse
Depression,
Obsessive disorders,
Stress,
Disruption of education affecting non skilled,
Increased political distrust,
Extensive Fiscal government burden,
Closure of small businesses,
Waste – likelihood that in UK alone 30mil use masks 3 times per week, looking at up to 3 billion masks being disposed of so far this year.
Links readily available on NON Google engines.
Lockdowns cramp the lives of the living to extend the lives of the dying.
Martin, or even cause the living to attempt to join the dying, and in many cases now, succeeding.
Martin
It appears to me that covid is dangerous for the dying !
Why do you think that a vaccine would protect you against a particular pathogen? Nobody ever has a follow up blood test to check whether a sufficient antibody titre has been created, instead they give ‘boosters’ admitting that the vaccine doesn’t work in some people.
If you are suggesting that some vaccines ‘accidentally’ confer some immunity then maybe you should check out Judy Mikovits and her investigations into CFS/ME. She also records the Italian lab examination of the adjuvants in vaccines finding some very worrying contents…to quote “We have continued the investigation, both chemical and biological, on the Priox Tetra, quadrivalent against measles, rubella, mumps, and varicella. We have found . . . proteobacteria and nematoda worms, 10 other viruses through ssRNA, Microviridae (bacterial or phage viruses) and numerous retroviruses including endogenous human and avian retroviruses, avian viruses, human immunodeficiency and immunodeficiency virus of monkeys (fragments that if inserted into the database detect fragments of HIV and SIV), murine virus, horse infectious anemia virus, lymphoproliferative disease virus, Rous sarcoma virus, alphaendornavirus, hepatitis B virus, and yeast virus.”
Antibodies are not a requirement for immunity, and since people get eg. whooping cough, even after being vaccinated, and probably some of those will have antibodies, it indicates antibodies do not always indicate immunity.
This is indeed the current mainstream understanding.
“antibody titers do not necessarily translate to immunity”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-18450-4
It’s a meta-study. Recommended prior reading is “Doctoring Data”.
@AhNotepad, The quote I provided is in line with your comment and comes from this review. My comment pointed out that in your previous comment you provided a medicine mainstream statement. That’s all. I read DD years ago.
Complicated summary of coronavirus up to March 2020. I must see if there is a similar but more up to date paper. Thanks.
@Steve-R. My pleasure. Make sure to share if you find one.
MS
My first take away from this meta analysis is that cross-reactivity that is thought to be responsible for a degree of immunity from the worst effects of Covid-19 is confined within Betacoronaviruses and then probably only significantly between Lineages A and B (A is HCoV-OC43 and HCoV-HKU1 B is both SARS-CoV-1 and 2).
My second take away is that the Lineage A betacoronaviruses are endemic and highly infectious infecting (nearly) all children by age 10 and most far earlier.
My third take away is that very young children exhibit the highly discriminatory immune response to coronaviruses as they do to most viruses and therefore have no cross-reactivity between separate viruses even within lineages.
My fourth take away is that antibody mediated immunity is transient and although some remained 2 years after infection subsequent ‘challenge’ results in infection but without the same severity of disease.
There is also quite a lot of discussion around seroconversion by age groups and that it seems to be no different across all groups. This suggests that old age is not a co-morbidity and only those with co-morbidities need locking down.
Oh, nearly forgot, there was quite a bit of concern that immunopathogenicity could result both on reinfection and more importantly from binding antibodies as a result of vaccination.
Thank you sharing your first summaries. to add mine:
(1) Minimal reactivity between endemic human Alpha- and Betacoronaviruses
(2) If effective vaccination will be implemented its effects will probably last only one season with high levels of confidence.
I was surprised to read: “Key questions for the long-term dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 include whether it is likely to be eradicated”. Is this still on the table? Given the global spread I thought it is certain to become endemic on a global level given the wide distribution.
“This suggests that old age is not a co-morbidity and only those with co-morbidities need locking down” I hear you and this is promosing as well for me personally since our family quality suffers by strongly protecting our elderly (but completely healthy) generations. However, be aware of the classic concept of immunosenescence, see e.g.:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1474-9728.2004.00102.x
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1286457901014435
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1432-2277.2009.00927.x
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19309405
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/334/6057/814.abstract
Thank you for sharing parts of a facebook post from 2018, I just wanted to give an update on what you claimed.
MS
Nothing in that first article shows that vaccines prevent the disease. They talk about immunogenicity as if it means protection – it doesn’t. They have shown over the years that they haven’t a clue what they’re talking about with vaccines, originally in the sixties one dose gave lifetime protection. Then you needed a booster. Then two, or three. And still you get outbreaks in fully vaccinated populations:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8483623/
All your second link shows is that the lab tests are unreliable. I find it hilarious that a blog with science in its name twice can allow that conclusion from failed lab tests on a minuscule sample that blood donor screening is not warranted. Must be the same sort of science behind lockdowns, social distancing and hand hygiene ……
Thank you for sharing sources, very helpful. I agree that big pharma is definitely trying to optimize cashflow by increasing number of required boosters.
These outbreaks do happen, this is true, and effectiveness varies (e.g., by age of vaccination), this is true, as well. Moreover, regarding measles there is evidence that an infection provides better protection than a vaccination.
But also try to look at:
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/204/suppl_1/S133/2193498
“In England and Wales, though deaths from measles were uncommon they averaged about 500 per year in the 1940s. Deaths diminished with the improvement of medical care in the 1950s but the incidence of the disease didn’t retreat until vaccination was introduced in the late 1960s.”
Actually, I didn’t comment on big pharma’s grab for cash. My point is that they do not know what they are doing. The original vaccine didn’t work as promised, nor do the latest ones. The real scam is that they provide ANY vaccine for money, as none of them have been proven to be effective or safe. To do so, they would have to run the ‘ol double blind study with placebo (saline please, not another vaccine) and the measles vaccine, and expose both groups to the disease: which is, rather conveniently, considered unethical. And I agree, it IS unethical , but still, even though you can’t do such a valid trial, you can’t claim that it works.
Here is the data on measles deaths from 1901. You can see that measles’ mortality was all but eliminated well before the vaccine was introduced.
Totally agree, there is not enough proof that if you take the vaccine you will not get it. We really don’t know how it will effect our body and if it will make us sick or have a reaction to it!
I totally agree with your statement as of today.
MS
folks tiring of the mindless, virtue-signalling chant of “protect the elderly”:
so you want to lock them in their rooms for six months, with no human contact? Makes you feel better? More righteous?
Some of the elderly; who were never asked; speaking out
(even if they do wear face muzzles)
Powerfully reminiscent of H.L. Mencken’s definition 100 years ago:
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy”.
I’m still laughing—-
Only this government could equate protection with virtual imprisonment. Of late (10yrs+), the UK has an appalling record of demonization and victimization of the elderly – easy target for the millionaire fascists who run our country ?
“…easy target for the millionaire fascists who run our country?”
Some of whom are themselves old – but, I suspect, are in no danger of being locked up or having their freedom (to exploit others) infringed in any way.
I think it was the British Heart Foundation that reported a few days ago there are now excess deaths caused by heart and circulatory problems even after removing from the number of deaths people which the PCR test says have covid.
Doesn’t this indicate people are being frightened away from seeking treatment by the fear being generated from the use of high positive covid test numbers, many of which may be false positives, and perhaps all the fear being generated and the isolation developing is now beginning to directly result in early deaths?
Link ?
Here you go. This took me 15 seconds.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffnt&q=British+Heart+Foundation++excess+deaths&ia=web
Excess heart & circulatory disease deaths Under 65’s
https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2020/october/rise-in-excess-heart-and-circulatory-disease-deaths-in-under-65s
26,000 increase in heart related deaths to September
https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2020/october/increase-in-heart-disease-deaths-at-home-during-pandemic
“Staff may become infected and pass the disease on to patients”, so get the flu jab. Arrrgggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! THE FLU JAB CAUSES THE VIRUS SHEDDING, SO THE STAFF MUST THEN INFECT PATIENTS. Am I missing something?
No, you’re not missing anything “germane”… 😎
Except that the more “cases”, hospitalizations and deaths can be ascribed to Covid-19, the happier the authorities are.
Oh dear oh dear, recklessly, Florida governor lifted restrictions in Florida. That meant the prospect of a huge increase in deaths, and what do you know? Here’s the outcome…
https://mailchi.mp/tomwoods/floridastatus?e=0874e089f1
Replying to AhNotepad…
Thank you for your supportive reply to my prior comment about identifying and dealing with trolls, especially CONCERN TROLLS who are, in my experience, a more pernicious form of troll than the usual garden-variety troll.
Further to the matter: by definition, the agenda of all trolls is to disrupt and derail discussions and to undermine the fundamental mission and premise of a given website or blog post. We are most familiar with garden-variety trolls who come in with an overtly oppositional agenda along with an aggressive attitude that is typified by ad hominem attacks, abusive language, and unsubstantiated arguments. Generally, a garden-variety troll is most inclined to intimidate and summarily shut everybody up.
Less obvious are the concern trolls who come in with a covert oppositional agenda that is hidden behind a a veneer of civility, a seemingly sympathetic demeanour, a self-professed open-mindedness, and a litany of passive-aggressive ‘concerns’ that are often accompanied by a supply of well-worn links to their own preferred sources. All of which is intended to hijack the forum by luring sincere commenters into endless rounds of time-consuming and energy-draining bad-faith debates. Thus, the concern troll is most inclined to win trust and chat everybody up — into pointless perpetuity.
Of course, we might all find it tempting to ‘feed the trolls’ at times, but it’s a bit of a guilty pleasure and thus it is perhaps prudent to proceed with some caution.
I think it is important not to divide people simply into trolls and others. Some people obviously come across this blog as perhaps their first instance of a medical blog that is not towing the party line.
Just ignoring such people is not doing anything to spread ideas about CVD or CV19, or anything else we discuss here.
On the other hand, there clearly are trolls who generally seem to appear and then disappear almost as fast – because they have no intention (or ability?) of sustaining a reasoned debate.
The troll discussion was provoked by MS, but I think if you see his later posts, he is gradually coming to realise that we are making valid points.
Just a quick thought. If patients with pneumonia are transported to local A&E by ambulance (as I was a few years ago) and who are consequently given a routine and quick examination (again, as I was) before being placed in a “COVID” hospital ward, one could imagine the dire results of cross contamination. So where have all the pneumonia cases ‘gone’? Has pneumonia been miraculously eradicated😁?
In Australian media: no more flu. Fancy that.
This https://fjfsdata01prod.blob.core.windows.net/articles/files/567710/pubmed-zip/.versions/2/.package-entries/fimmu-11-567710.pdf?sv=2018-03-28&sr=b&sig=hJqQHFOXZgaFm6Dj3TrWafLsqiW9ZxQxwEGwJJaXoK4%3D&se=2020-10-21T09%3A36%3A47Z&sp=r&rscd=attachment%3B%20filename%2A%3DUTF-8%27%27fimmu-11-567710.pdf is a more recent examination of the coronaviruses, antibody responses, immunopathogenicity and implications for vaccine creation.
Sorry, that link was for the pdf try this https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.567710/full
An open question regarding covid deaths, and apologies it has already been answered:
Does anyone know the current criteria in the UK for ascribing death to Sars-Cov-19? I have a suspicion it is something like ‘any person dying of any cause within 4 weeks of a positive Covid test must be recorded as dying of Covid.’
If this is the case, then given the high false positive rate of the PCR test, the death curve should almost perfectly track the ‘case’ curve, when the 4 week delay is accounted for.
I use this site:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
That defines CV19 deaths as people dying of anything within 28 days of positive test.
I don’t know how you could pick up past data.
So the death reported in the Brazilian AZD1222 trial was in the “placebo” cohort. A 28 y/o doctor working in the COVID wards. Healthy, before the trial (a requirement). Then they inject him with a vaccine (Men ACWY) which, by definition, is designed to interfere with your immune system, he contracts COVID and dies. Yet this will be recorded as a placebo death, to be offset against any COVID vaccine deaths, thus raising the ‘safety profile’ of AZD1222.
http://www.isrctn.com/ISRCTN89951424
Condolences to his family and friends.
How likely is it that the immunopathogenesis was triggered by the reaction between the ‘placebo’ and the SARS-CoV-2 virus?
I’m not sure how two vaccines would, or could, react with each other. I doubt that they would. But if you google the side effects of the Men ACWY (it almost pronounces menace-y: in welsh it would be menacy-u!) then it is clear that in many recipients it adversely affects the immune system, however transiently. It’s probable that even more recipients are immunocompromised without symptoms. Weak immune system + COVID virus = potential for disaster.
Are we saying it wasnt the antigen ?
It wasn’t the COVID antigen. He was given the Mena ACWY antigen as a placebo. Fact. But he died of COVID. Fact. There are plenty of sites on the web detailing the immunologic side effects that can be caused by the Men ACWY vaccine. Fact. What I’m suggesting is that his reaction to the Men ACWY antigen weakened his otherwise healthy immune system to the extent that the COVID virus could kill him. Supposition. Happy to hear other theories as to how a healthy (no co-morbidities) 28 y/o, who COVID doesn’t kill (or even cause symptoms in most infections) did manage to kill on this occasion.
E&B, you wrote “But he died of COVID. Fact.”
How do you, or anybody else, know exactly what he died of? It is difficult to know what many people die of, and even a post mortem may not be conclusive.
The press reports state that he died of complications from COVID. AstraZeneca won’t reveal information, so I’m just going on the facts as reported. For Joe D, I’m just delineating between the facts as reported, and my suppositions. It is definitely a fact, as per the link, that he received a vaccine as the ‘placebo’ – people need to be aware of this. That is NOT widely reported ….. and the implication is that he received a harmless substance rather than an immune compromiser.
E&B, a press report is not necessarily a “fact”. Nowadays, a press report is somewhat unlikely to be a fact.
Unfortunately the press are all we have to go on. AZ refuse to disclose details due confidentiality or some such rubbish which didn’t, however, stop them immediately disclosing that he had received a different vaccine to the COVID one. When they suppress information, what leaks to the press is all we can go on. And when they constantly suppress information and refuse to justify their actions with scientific studies, I think we’re justified in making assumptions. Such as the Danish face mask study that The Lancet, JAMA and NEJM refuse to publish, as noted elsewhere on this blog, and the Gupta herd immunity paper:
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/mask-study-that-the-medical-journals-dare-not-print/
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-let-children-be-exposed-to-viruses-says-professor-gupta-a4538386.html
Likewise as the government cannot supply any studies that support their hygiene, social distancing and lockdown lunacies, I feel justified in ignoring their regulations as far as possible.
I always wondered what was studied at university in Political Science. It’s whatever politicians say science is.
You say the press is all we have to go on, then you demonstrate the press is not all we have to go on. You should try more eggs and less beer.
Also consider that older people are reportedly more vulnerable to ‘this virus’, and in recent years have been increasingly pressed to have annual flu vaccination, plus pneumococcal vaccination, plus shingles vaccination, plus pertussis/tetanus ‘boosters’… How is this increasing vaccine load, including the variety of ingredients, impacting on their immune response and general health?
Oh wow why would one do then. Sad.
The usage, “Blah blah blah blah blah. Fact”
is a useful marker for someone who isn’t at all sure of the facts, and wishes to avoid any debate about them.
If I am sure about a fact, I do not need such blatant attempts to deceive my audience.
No one ever says “One plus one equals two. Fact”.
E&B, that’s really clever. You give a really nasty substance as a placebo, to compare against a probably pretty nasty substance. If the placebo group dies, “wow! look! Our new nasty substance is safer than anything else up to now”. What a deceitful way to carry on. I wonder if Witty, Valance, Johnson, and Handcock would like to choose which cohort they would like to join to be part of the brave new world.
I am appalled at the lack of value placed on these volunteers lives. Even I can understand compromising someone’s immunity at the moment is not a sensible idea and if that someone is being exposed to Covid in his everyday life……! Speechless. Placebo surely should be just that. Nothing!
I note little sympathy for him on several blogs. Theres an attitude that, you play with fire – what do U expect ?
Dancing with the devil etc etc
I don’t think you can assume there is little sympathy. The alternative might be labelled “virtue signalling”,such as is seen in interviews and on blogs where covid deaths are frequently accompanied by such statements as “…….those who have sadly passed………..” are put in almost as often as punctuation marks.
ssues of Incomplete Misdiagnosis (IM) of Corona Discharge (CD) Specific Absorption Rate Symptoms (SARS) and the associated Non Transferable Disorders (NTDs) Resulting from exposure to Broad Spectrum Non Ionizing Radiation (BSNIR)
Firstly under the current environmental conditions of industrial pollution with BSNIR all medical data that was produced outwith these environmental conditions is no longer valid. Also the 20yr pharmaceutical side-effect test data no longer valid (even if if it exists or was valid in the first place)
The vast majority of BSNIR is bad for the body/cells of life forms here on earth (apart from a specific black fungus which is found to thrive under the current pollution conditions (which apparently matters).)
Corona Discharge SARS has the same symptoms as the and many many more symptoms and impacts almost all of the existing medical conditions recorded (and more)
Misrepresentation in the form of misdiagnosis (incomplete diagnosis) is a corrupting form of criminal negligence and results in some disgraceful mistreatment & sociological impacts.
These issues can be easily resolved in the case of the industrial contamination problems people are encountering.
My father in law was conned into having a flu jab when he was 85. He was sick for ten days afterwards and since then he’s had a couple of epileptic fits, which has meant that he can no longer take disabled kids for dinghy sailing lessons. I don’t know why he succumbed to the doctor’s advice, he’s a curmudgeonly old bastard at the best of times and has resisted medications his whole life. Loves kids, though!
Typical!
Some of these curmudgeonly chaps are the best of the best. So they find a really good one, and break him.
I just received a you tube video from a friend. It was put online by a a man from Burnley who had just received a letter to say he had tested positive from a postal PCR test he had received through an inline enquiry. He had heard from acquaintances that they had also tested positive from samples taken from various sources such as puddles of rain water and swabs from pets. His sample was of nothing. Zilch. Nada. He merely snapped the testing swab in half and replaced it in the testing tube and posted it. Every step of the process was meticulously recorded and is available to view on you tube providing, of course, it has not been removed by the ‘thought police’. If it was his intention to deceive, then he is a master of deception, a supreme fraudster, and an expert forger. However, I have no doubts whatsoever that covid 19 testing is a shambolic, ludicrous and pathetic example of attempts to delude and terrify the population. The problem is that it appears to be working. To what ends I can only conjecture.
A Sydney footballer tested negative, then inconclusive, then positive, then negative, in six days.
I know a lot of you take a dim view of Nigel Farage, but in this video it is clear that he is voicing just some of the ways in which the COVID crisis is being distorted and exaggerated. He is the first UK politician to take on this issue.
It’s strange that there doesn’t appear to be one single MP, not one, from any party prepared to publicly stand up and state that the ‘official’ Covid story is fake. Saint Nige has nothing to lose just like David Icke so a lot of people won’t take too much notice of them.
Nigel more or less moth-balled his Brexit party after the vote last autumn, but he always said he would revive it if the need arose. I think he could seriously worry the Tory Party if he takes on this issue in a big way.
I wrote in and explained one or two other COVID exaggerations, and pointed out this blog. He is a conviction politician.
We have a state election next Saturday in Qld. The pollies from both sides are singing from EXACTLY the same songsheet. We will be guided by the experts, vaccination will be imposed as much as possible, lockdowns, social distancing and hygiene (mal)practices will continue to be the primary measure of control (of the virus, or the population?) and science will determine everything – and you are not a scientist if you disagree. Seriously, that’s what they are saying. Both sides.
Whoever is behind all this has done an excellent job of indoctrinating the string pullers in both parties here, Liberal/National Party (supposedly conservative) and Labor (that’s how they spell it, and they have an educashun minnystir too) and in every other country.
I’ve just been watching https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/24/securing-obedience-through-fear.aspx. Given the Qld politics, I think the biggest bio-terror weapon is………………… THE VACCINE!!!
Agreed. No political poodle.
Does this https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/10/19/science.abd2985 research make all the vaccines for SARS-CoV-2, currently stockpiled pending Stage 3 completion and approval, worthless?
It might do, but as I have the attention span of a goldfish, it’s too much for me.
Me too.
But From what I understand, the entry of the virus into cells of the upper respiratory tract (URT) and in particular the olfactory epithelium is much enhanced in SARS COV-2 by its ability to use the expression in those cells of the protein NRP1 compared to epithelial cells of the lower respiratory tract (LRT). This novel feature of SARS COV-2 over SARS COV they think explains its highly infectious nature, by creating large amounts of virus in the URT that are readily expelled compared to smaller amounts of virus in the LRT that are less readily expelled.
If this is the case then it may explain why mucosal IgA is at high levels when tested compared to serum IgA and why vaccines created to boost immunity through serum antibodies may well be ineffective at preventing infection, not least because they are concentrating mainly on ACE2 receptor binding and missing NRP1 and other binding sites. Early reports suggested gene coding for at least 5 binding sites for cell entry!
Steve-R, thanks for that. It seems like a very good reason or not wearing face nappies, then there would be less likelihood of a pathogen building up in the URT. rather like children who are given a breather from nappies suffer less from nappy rash.
If we’re ‘following the science’ then it’s strange that some science is being explicitly suppressed.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/mask-study-that-the-medical-journals-dare-not-print/
Currently, the only valid reason for wearing a face nappy seems to be that it stops you being physically, and verbally, assaulted by members of the Covid death cult.
How do we know it is highly infectious? Is it any more infectious that the common cold or other flu-like illnesses. I know far more people who have had colds that sars-cov-2 (let alone cv19)
Can you expand your comment a bit – I found that article pretty dense!
if you are still remembering to add the socially necessary statement “Protect the Elderly” to every ingratiating comment you feel impelled to make;
have a listen to this
some have been imprisoned without seeing family for 7 months now ……
How many never lasted the 7 months?
If I treated my dog like that I’d be in jail.
How long will it take https://youtu.be/0H7FORUf3AM before tyrant politicians take note of this, eh? Yes you Sturgeon and you Johnson? Both of whom have committed treason,
From Simon Dolan:
https://www.keepbritainfree.com/so/80NLLJOD8?cid=6d91f31f-9379-4478-b1e4-1f5f645d29f6#/main
The speaker’s intervention is all about “protecting Parliamentary privilege, rather than promoting the proper scrutiny of important legislation in Parliament.”
James Delingpole interviews Dr Mike Yeadon – for my money one of the best single explanations of the whole Covid-19 phenomenon to date. It lasts for nearly 2 hours, but I consider it excellent value: one important fact after another. It’s sound only and starts a little slowly, but that is in the interests of balanced coverage and getting through to all listeners. Dr Yeadon, who is supremely well qualified, comes down heavily against lockdown and most of the other official policies.
Well – I missed the Fifth International Public Conference on Vaccines. Also the replay. I was hospitalised, VTEs, both lungs, left worse than right – CT scan with contrast. X-Ray lungs. Doppler Ultrasound. Plus lower limb blood clots, left leg worse than right – Venous Doppler Ultrasound – good fun watching the clots popping out, like potatoes being unearthed ! Oxygen, 18 litres 24/7, titrated down to 3 then up to 4. Heparin, 24/7. ECG, 24/7. Oral Coumadine, 3 x day. Beta Blocker, 1 x day. Total bed rest. 13 – 22 Oct. So missed the whole programme. Ho-Hum. Doing OK. Just on the Coumadine – probably for life. Watching as my hair turn into a herring gulls’ nest…again ! Follow up appointments in Nov. Doppler Ultrasound, + consultations.
Was a dramatic episode, as had not been feeling well at all, wretched breathlesness. Was climbing in to my car to see my GP – only a five min sprint away – when collapsed outside my own front door. Neighbours saw, came over, called my GP, called the SAMU (emergency services, France) and then under GP direction was sirened off to opital ! Staff pulled me through, though food pretty indescribable ! Huzzah, back home. Books galore; my laptop; TV; telephone. Heigh-Ho. Just faced with a fridge load of rotten food to throw out…
Sure hope that the ‘convention’ will be reshown – meantime, ‘Comments’ make for interest, amusement and the occasional Whoop, Huzzah !
Thank you Dr Kendrick – Your blog is a savior of sanity in a pretty dippy world.
Note of interest. Learnt that venous are poorly addressed in France. Artery, OK. But ‘venous’ was termed as a ‘black hole’ in French medicine. Was lucky to have right on hand one of only three such consultant practitioners. Summat going my way 🙂
Continue well – Take care : MMEC7
I was about to look up “VTE” when Martin Back’s comment came into view. You had a chance of missing more than just “the whole programme”. Hope you continue to be lucky and keep on recovering!
Thank you LA Bob – Yes, am doing well. Daily obs good but not quite ready for the eightsome…yet !
I would appreciate some opinions on this article from my local papers website about “long Covid “, as far as I can tell there’s actually nothing unique about these symptoms that doesn’t apply to other viral and bacterial infections. Some appear to be immune system overreactions or autoimmune disorders
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/official-list-long-term-health-4636333
JohnC, a you say, I agree it’s little different from other viral infections. It’s a piece of journalistic licence to make a mountain out of a worm cast. Another question, is did the patient contract Sars-cov2, or was it something else? If Mike Yeadon can tell us it is something significant, I would believe it. Otherwise it’s fear porn. That’s not to say it doesn’t happen, but it’s nothing new.
“Venous thromboembolism (VTE) refers to a blood clot that starts in a vein. It is the third leading vascular diagnosis after heart attack and stroke, affecting between 300,000 to 600,000 Americans each year.”
I had to look it up. Sounds horrific. Hope you make a full recovery. Have missed your comments from a fellow spondy recently.
Martin – Thank you. Yes, was all a bit overly dramatic – TG for oxygen and TG for good nursing and a very competent medical team. That includes the SAMU – the two attendees speaking excellent English to boot !
Slowly pulling on through. Even managed my volunteer stint at our charity shop today – rescue support for animals : Green Valley Brittany. A good day – and glad to be back as a contributor to the team effort.
Missed my comments – Thank you Martin. Be well, take care –
Welcome back – seeing your comments on animal welfare, I joined a couple of Belfast cyclists some weeks ago. They were completing a province wide cycle tour in aid of African game reserves which are suffering significant funding problems due to the global manicdown.
Thank you Jerome. Due to Brexit, I have to make banking changes, and having seen the plea for the African Game reserves, thought I would change from the WWF to the African Game Reserves – having been a guest at a couple in my past life ! They will be badly hit in these manicdown times ! Heigh-Ho.
This may be a bit off-topic, but…
In the USA the Worldometer or Johns Hopkins graph for ‘Daily Cases’ is now being pointed to as evidence that yet another wave of infections is in full swing. But I wonder about how the PCR test is able to distinguish active, current infections from SARS-Cov-2 (CV) from chunks of inactive virus from a previous infection.
Let’s suppose that some fraction of the population has been exposed to CV, and thus have virus fragments and active CV in their systems. As more and more people are exposed to CV, wouldn’t the percentage of PCR tests show positive? But that is not the same as actual infections. This is not even considering that the false positive rate will bias the results towards more infections.
I wonder if we, and maybe the experts, aren’t getting fooled by the PCR test’s sensitivity. Dr. Kendrick has introduced us to Dr. Sebastian Rushworth in Sweden. There, it is possible that the Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) has been reached, but at a much lower level than to oft quoted level of 60 to 80 percent required by, for example, measles. The website WattsUpWithThat has also had a couple of posts talking about the HIT being reached at percentages more like 20-30 percent of the population being infected.
So my question is: Could the third wave of ‘Daily Cases’ be partially due to Herd Immunity being already reached? Are we just measuring the increased presence of CV particles in the population which will not translate into future deaths? I would really like to hear some views on this question.
It is impossible to have a second wave with a virus. Any increase is either false positive test results, or it is a different infection agent.
There appear to have been three waves to the Spanish ‘flu.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/three-waves.htm
As they didn’t have any testing back then, do you have any details about what caused the other two waves?
It’s not possible to say, there were some odd treatments, probably more than one infectious agent, and unknown confounders. It was 102 years ago, nowadays it is sometimes difficult to get accurate information about what happened last month.
@AhNotepad wrote:
“It is impossible to have a second wave with a virus.”
There’s a second wave of influenza every winter due to the lower vitamin D. This causes somewhat greater chance of infection, much greater symptom severity if infected and much greater viral shedding, and so infection of others.
Exactly the same thing is true of SARS-Cov-2 -> COVID-19.
See what I wrote above about vitamin D and my site https://aminotheory.com/cv19/ and the chart of UK COVID-19 hospitalisations, including the number of people who are on mechanical ventilation.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
Many people think the increase in “new cases” is just more testing and or the tests turning up more false positives. But that is an extraordinarily avoidant attitude to an unfolding disaster. None of this would happen if everyone had 50ng/ml vitamin D 25OHD blood levels (125nmol/L). Neither influenza or SARS-CoV-2 infections would spread very much and there would be few symptoms, little harm and very few deaths. With high vitamin D there is a somewhat reduced chance of getting infected for any given viral insult. Much more important for the individual is the great reduction in symptom severity if infected. Most important for everyone else is that those infected shed fewer viruses, so the rate of transmission to other people is too low for it to spread much.
To achieve that, on average, average weight people need 0.125mg (5000IU) D3 a day, which is a gram every 22 years – and pharma grad D3, ex-factory, costs USD$2.50 a gram.
Are thay actually “waves” or just a natural decline in illness in Summer because of Vit D levels and airhumidity followed by a rise as air gets colder and drier and vit D levels fall. I bet that there are still flu and cold infections in Summer but a) we don’t test people with no symptoms (or anyone) and b) very few people are actually ill. Why would CV19 be any different?
Robin, you wrote: ”There’s a second wave of influenza every winter due to the lower vitamin D. This causes somewhat greater chance of infection, much greater symptom severity if infected and much greater viral shedding, and so infection of others.”
Well I prefer to believe Mike Yeadon, ex-head of respiratory disease department at Pfizer UK.
Yes, best way to end the “second wave” would be to stop testing people and treat their symptoms (if any)
As of today the number of people in hospital with covid seems to be over half what it was in April/May, and there is a steep curve upwards.
Have the criteria for admissions changed, or are things perhaps a little worse than I hoped?
Thoughts on the Pfizer announcement today.
I must admit that I find it a little disquieting but cannot put my finger on it.
Thought one: what is the placebo? Not disclosed in the clinical trials data.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04368728
If the placebo in any way affects the immune system then that could explain why a very tiny number of placebo recipients exhibited COVID-1984 symptoms. Note that in the AZ/Oxford trials the placebo in the UK and Brazilian arms was a meningitis vaccine.
Thought two: what does 90% efficiency mean?
Thought three: safety is not established, not in the most fundamental way. This is a totally new technique involving replicating artificially selected genes within your cells. We know far too little about the internal workings of cells and their components to be confident that such interference won’t have long term effects.
Pfizer vacc
Apart from the fact that GCHQ are in a cyberwar with anti vaccinators so watch out for your emails being read….. this was In the BBC published article this morning
The answers should emerge as the vaccine starts being rolled out.
Isn’t this using people as guinea pigs….didn’t someone on here mention this was internationally illegal after WW2??
Followed by:
But Prof Adam Finn, from Bristol University, said it was important to make clear that most of the Covid cases in the vaccine trial were probably relatively mild cases – and it was “a leap of faith” to assume it would also stop elderly people from getting seriously ill or dying.
“But I think we have to take that leap of faith, that’s the evidence we’ve got at this point and 90% is pretty good,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “It’s pretty likely that even if it’s less effective in elderly people than in younger people it will still work to some extent.”
Wow is this the best support the beeb could find???
Carole, thank goodness someone is being sensible. A “leap of faith” is so much closer to “following the science” than this pesky data and evidence nonsense, who needs it?
Here is a 300+ page report. That’s more than a month’s reading for me, if I don’t do anything else. https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/2020.10.29-Part-1-Production-322-pages-Request-54464_highlighted.pdfhttps://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/2020.10.29-Part-1-Production-322-pages-Request-54464_highlighted.pdf
Sorry, this is the link https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/2020.10.29-Part-1-Production-322-pages-Request-54464_highlighted.pdf
And not one mention of placebo
Here is the reply I received from Pfizer. The only question I asked was about the placebo – what is it? The reply:
“ Thank you for your interest in the COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial C4591001 (NCT04368728). Please visit http://www.COVIDVaccineStudy.com to find volunteer opportunities in your area. Clinical trials can potentially lead to life-changing new medicines and vaccines, and it’s only through participation that progress is possible. Thank you for taking the time to consider volunteering.”
Obviously a standard reply. And the fact that “Clinical trials can potentially lead to life-changing new medicines and vaccines ….” is precisely my concern! I’ll try again at a different email address.
There seems to be a logical fallacy regarding the vaccine.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
The vaccine works by injecting some of the RNA from SARS-COV-2.
This RNA fragment infects some cells.
This triggers the immune system, causing T cell activation and antibody generation.
This vaccine is administered by an intramuscular injection (I presume)
The cells that will be infected will be muscle cells, there are dendritic cells in the muscle tissue. These will trigger the maturation of T cells. Whether B cells will be triggered to produce antibodies is open to question.
If a person is exposed to SARS-COV-2, then the virus is removed by phagocytes in the mucus membranes. The dendritic cells are more numerous in the mucus membranes. The dendritic cells will trigger the T cells significantly faster as access to the lymphatic system is quicker from the mucosa than it is from muscle.
if the vaccine works the same way as the virus itself then why is vaccination more appropriate than being exposed to the virus? The vaccine is effectively the GBD.
In elderly people their immune system is more likely to trigger inappropriately leading to the problems associated with CoViD19. Won’t the vaccine potentially have the same effect?
Back along when I was a trainee nurse, vaccines were always epidermal. Intramuscular was reserved for the Victorian Engineered needle, and half a pint of penicillin. In the backside.
JohnC, I agree with your points about the physiological aspects of the action of vaccines versus natural infection. Discussions about vaccines that don’t praise them as the greatest contribution to medicine, ever, now have the oversight of GCHQ, which will be instructed to take down anything the government directs. This is because it is misinformation o disinformation and the writers could be Russian agents or members of IS. The figures given recently by Witty and Vallance to allow lockdown to be inflicted, and then had to be changed within a couple of days was not, of course, misinformation. The main benefit of the vaccine is financial, and is for manufacturers and their parasites, it is not for any health benefit for the victims.
$80 to watch a bunch of online videos including one on the COVID vaccine by… a TV producer… hmm
Watching is not obligatory, or mandated. We have a choice.
Indeed, just think it’s a ripoff